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I am not a fan of the new Nite Champion rule that will be effective January 1st. I think upping the number of wins to eight AND having to compete against Grand Nites to get those eight wins is unfair. I think keeping it at five wins would have been good enough. Why change that part?


This past weekend I finished a female to Grand Nite so I could get it done before the new year and the new rules. Given the new rule change coming soon, I probably wont even bother with finishing a dog to Grand again. That might just be me, but that is how I feel. I will probably finish one to Nite Champion, then concentrate on the other KC's out there.


Would love to see UKC put together a State race and maybe a National Male and Female leader board like the other KC's. Recognition and publicity goes a long way and if UKC would concentrate on promotion, then I think they could get their whole money hunt thing off the ground.

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I am not a fan of the new Nite Champion rule that will be effective January 1st. I think upping the number of wins to eight AND having to compete against Grand Nites to get those eight wins is unfair. I think keeping it at five wins would have been good enough. Why change that part?.

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Titleing a dog is a thing of the past for me.... I'm not interested in that anymore., but I do like the $hunts .....screw the titles.

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Not trying to be smart , but if you want to win in other KC you better be able to beat grandnites as a nite champion. I think it’s great the nites have to hunt against the grand. Same caliber dog if you asked me. Other KC are based on cast wins . If a person can’t get 8 to succeed in ukc good luck in the others.

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I don't really go to enough hunts anymore to even comment, but I absolutely agree with the original poster on the state and national races. I commend UKC on taking chances on requirement changes for titles as a means to bolster participation, but I really think it was a swing and a miss. Incentive to put titles on a dog isn't there anymore, incentive to stay in a state race might be..?

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To answer the question, UKC has buried under constant complaints that their titles have little worth today because they are too easily attained due to the drastic drop in entries at their weekly events. So this is their answer to cheap titles. Some even think it will bring about increases entries (I don't)). I reality, the part about hunting against GnNtCh dogs remains to be seen. They have to show up at your local event first. I don't think they will.
When it is all said and done, the biggest difference most will notice is that now you will have to show in minimum of 8 times instead of 5. It will actually be easier since you no longer have to win the hunt, just get 8 cheap cast wins. Instead of being harder Mr Wells, it now probably gonna be way too easy making our cheap titles even cheaper.

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I thought it was Cast wins, if so how many time in past when you made a Gr Nt you go to a hunt and there is 2 or 3 casts of Nt Ch.

You win your cast but get beat by one of the other casts?

I may be wrong but I thought if you win a Nt Ch cast with plus points it counts as a cast win to gr Nt.

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You thought right.

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Well I will put a different spin on it anybody that is a moh and takes people's money knows this is true we get griped out for every decision ukc makes !! Now the biggest complaint I get on the new format is up in states where there are clubs on every corner things will be ok. In states where clubs are already folding the distance between clubs makes it to expensive to chase a title that's really only good for a certificate to look at on the wall. The big stud dog days are over the big breeders are having trouble moving puppies. We got a meat hunt on Jan 5th and 27 people already are hunting ! We got 1 club 30 miles from me it's at least 2 hrs to the rest. So in if it takes a bunch of cast wins to get to the money being give away.


These boys ain't interested in it. Not being negative just stating facts.


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Not trying to be smart , but if you want to win in other KC you better be able to beat grandnites as a nite champion. I think it’s great the nites have to hunt against the grand. Same caliber dog if you asked me. Other KC are based on cast wins . If a person can’t get 8 to succeed in ukc good luck in the others.

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Good for you , glad you like hunting ukc only. I like them all. The man said he is gonna hunt other KC because of rule change. In the other KC there is not an option of what type dog or what that dog has earned for that matter that you can choose from.You will turn loose with the best . So my point being if you can’t beat a Grnitech with a Nitech you probably want be happy elsewhere.

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I hate to see UKC get involved with money hunts. Am 43 years old . Some say am still a young pup, maybe so. When I was a boy an you seen that Grnitech in front of a dogs name it said a lot.Yes people cheated back then to earn that title just like they cheat today . But still it seems like it ment that certain dog was the top dog so to speak. Money makes people do strange things. It’s not about the dog anymore, it’s about who can out handle who. Club numbers will not go up until the ones who have been doing it for awhile leaves something that will make a first time hunter want to come back. Sportsmanship is a missing thing in these hunts.It is a dying sport an until we stop being greedy an disrespectful toward one another it will continue to dye. Bring back the days where the dogs did the competing not the handlers .

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I hate to see UKC get involved with money hunts. Am 43 years old . Some say am still a young pup, maybe so. When I was a boy an you seen that Grnitech in front of a dogs name it said a lot.Yes people cheated back then to earn that title just like they cheat today . But still it seems like it ment that certain dog was the top dog so to speak. Money makes people do strange things. It’s not about the dog anymore, it’s about who can out handle who. Club numbers will not go up until the ones who have been doing it for awhile leaves something that will make a first time hunter want to come back. Sportsmanship is a missing thing in these hunts.It is a dying sport an until we stop being greedy an disrespectful toward one another it will continue to dye. Bring back the days where the dogs did the competing not the handlers .

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Hobo now you know what I mean about the old format before the change in the 80's. That 43 yr old man nailed it !!



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Amen need to put the respect back in the equation. Make it about the dogs and not the handler. Personally I see these changes as being good for the hunts. A man could never do better than win his cast, and now his dog will be rewarded for winning his cast. I just don't understand why anyone thinks this will make a cheaper title. I see it as leveling the playing field, no need to worry about high score hunting on buckets beating you. Honey hole advantage no longer, maybe this is why a certain few are against these changes, it eliminates the edge they have always had. JS. Dave

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Dave let me put it in perspective for you ........... You been out a long time tonight they are having a $$$ hunt 20 miles from me. They are having it under a carport in the middle of a graveyard. In one sense you say if that's all they can afford. In anouther sense what if a dog hiked his leg and wee wee on your parents grave. They think nothing of it............. And you want to talk about respect ............ They don't know what that is. And believe me if it took 20 wins to make ntch there will still be cases where the dog is in one state and the easy entry card in anouther at a 1or2 dog hunt under a carport.


You see the old format it was hard to do that with 60 sets of eyes on you hope you understand.



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I do understand when you are talking these 2/3 dog hunts, but those days of 60 dog hunts are gone. I just hope we start seeing 15/20 dogs at these small club hunts. Respect is like a lot of things, it's not what it used to be, but at least each of us can do their part, gotta start somewhere. Lol. Dave

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Thank you fellas for being kind. I will always have a place for Ukc as long as I go to theses hunts. And a title will always mean something to me. My first nite hunt was the st Jude hunt. First nite hunt my dog had been entered in . Didn’t do good on Friday night , got a fourth place win on Saturday night. That night has never left me. Went on to local hunts made him a nitchamption , then finally a grannite . My point is am all for whatever makes a man happy if it doesn’t make the next man fall.But all people have a problem if not careful ,they will think more bout themselves than others.We are involved in a sport that requires the taking of newcomers under our wing an showing them why we do what we do. I mean we roam around in the dark chaseing a dog.I don’t know the right answer . Deer hunters an turkey hunters are on the same page . We coon hunters don’t need enimmes we have each other.

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I think they all should hunt together just like pkc etc. I mean you guys say if a dog is worthy if being a ntch he should beat a grand, well open should be able to beat a ntch then as well.

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Why should an open registered dog be able to beat a Gr Nt Ch? Should a high school football team be able to beat the Dallas Cowboys? Should a Golden Gloves Boxer be able to beat a Pro boxer? I can understand that people think that a Nt Ch should not be able to make Gr Nt Ch until it can beat Gr Nt Ch's. But open registered dogs are just starting out and learning.
I can also understand that some will not even attempt to make their Nt Ch's a Gr Nt because it will arguably be harder. But the ones that do make Gr Nt after Jan 1st will truly deserve it. Having a Gr Nt title should carry more prestige. Of course these are "shoulds". It remains to be seen what will actually happen.

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Mr. Lambert have to disagree with ya on this. If your dog dog is just starting out and learning you haven't done your homework and are entering your dog too soon. I've took first time dogs and beat the britches off High titled dogs in hunts that hunted together.

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Why? Because it's my opinion just like you have yours! Except everytime someone gives a opinion I dont get on here and gripe and question them.

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Mr River, are you saying that you think an open registered dog should be able to beat a Gr Nt Ch?

You are comparing apple's to oranges. You don't have to tree a coon to win a cast in that other registry, although it helps. There is a lot of luck and handling involved in winning in that registry, especially in 1 hr casts. I have won casts with a registered dog when hunting against titled dogs also but not because I had a better dog.

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Mine were better, at least on that night. lol BTW I've never won any hunt without plus points

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Mr PAK, you can have your opinion, just as I can have mine. I was just wondering what reasoning you were basing your opinion on. You could convince me to change my opinion. It has happened before. I am pretty wishy washy. Why so paranoid. Just because someone disagrees with your opinion doesn't mean that your opinion is wrong. And I am a questioning kind of guy. I guess that I should move to Missouri.

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