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Jackson Boys
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I guess we have a little more to say about this. Some of the best dogs that we have had were long and ugly. Example: Lumber Jack/ Big Maxie male 14 inches ugly looked just like snoopy. Long like he was crossed with a bassit hound. But a fine hound that could smoke a rabbit. Wouldn't ever put him on the bench.

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Jamey Gorman
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quote:
Originally posted by mitch gould
nice lookin dogs jamey


only negative about the show ppl not bein the big ukc shows anymore Is the entertainment value offered when a cpl of them would lose ...i mean some of em would throw a fit ...lose their mind over a show lol us hunt first type of guys got a real kick out of it lol



Thank you Mitch. I hear ya on the entertainment value. Lmao

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Jeremy Mapes
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quote:
Originally posted by mitch gould
nice lookin dogs jamey


only negative about the show ppl not bein the big ukc shows anymore Is the entertainment value offered when a cpl of them would lose ...i mean some of em would throw a fit ...lose their mind over a show lol us hunt first type of guys got a real kick out of it lol


We need a like button on this forum Mitch, lol! Love the look of them hounds Mike, Dan and Jamey. Dan Beau was a true total dog, no doubt about it. Id take the conformation of the hounds pictured over these $1000 boxy show dogs any day.

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Jim Woods
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Can anyone tell me the year the standard was last updated? Yes it needs revised. Yes I agree with Mr. Moore dogs need to hunt before they show..Hats off to Greg because he always does.


This is what it shows in the 2014 rule book:
Beagle
Official UKC Breed Standard
Scenthound Group
© Copyright 1990, United Kennel Club, Inc.
Revised January 1, 2013

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TOUCHSTONEBEAGL
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It is more common for show dogs to not run good because of their lack of hunt instincts and hunt desire. A well made dog with good conformation according to the current standard AND excellent hunt traits will give you everything you ever wanted in a hunting beagle.

Dogs with excellent structure but poor or marginal hunt traits should not be given a great deal of credit.

Could be a special class for beagles that do not hunt. In a hunting beagle program, the emphasis and recognition should be placed on great hunting beagles with good physical structure. IMO 50 points in the hunt is a very low standard for the right to be on the bench next to great hunting dogs. If you aren't running the dog, or if it does not pack in and contribute significantly to the hunt, it does not belong in the bench show of a hunting beagle competition.

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Not true

Dan will disagree on part of this. Most show people do not hunt their dogs because of fear of getting killed, lost or getting hurt where they can not show. See a 300 dollar field dog is allot easier to replace then a 1500.00 show dog. Just the facts. I can try out and go through five hunting pups and hope they have what it takes in the field or pay 1000.00 or 1500 and know I can win in the show. Sorry I have owned dogs out of some of the nicest akc and ukc field lines for hunting. I can tell you this. Would rather have something that I know can do something rather then something I hope can. Thanks for reading and good luck.

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Im not even gona waste my time getting into this lol!!! Wow!!

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VICKY B
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Thanks but the only revision then was the requirements to enter the show, not the breed standard.

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Dan that is the best statement on this thread!!!!

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Jamey Gorman
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Re: Not true

quote:
Originally posted by Gary Corn
Dan will disagree on part of this. Most show people do not hunt their dogs because of fear of getting killed, lost or getting hurt where they can not show. See a 300 dollar field dog is allot easier to replace then a 1500.00 show dog. Just the facts. I can try out and go through five hunting pups and hope they have what it takes in the field or pay 1000.00 or 1500 and know I can win in the show. Sorry I have owned dogs out of some of the nicest akc and ukc field lines for hunting. I can tell you this. Would rather have something that I know can do something rather then something I hope can. Thanks for reading and good luck.


Gary, in your own words, you are saying you need one line for show and another line for hunt. This is not the standard for breeders like myself. In my opinion, you're taking the easy way out. I don't know why, you refuse to believe you can have hunt and show in one line. Yes, it is a lot harder to find a good hunting dog, than it is to find a good show dog, and even harder to have both. I don't know where you're getting your prices from, but I have had hunting dogs that $5000 wouldn't buy them. I wouldn't give you a nickel, for a dog that won't hunt. I heard the excuses about afraid of losing or dog getting hurt, and that just what they are, excuses ! My dogs mean more to me than most people, but I still hunt them. I don't put a dogs life into a dollar amount. With modern GPS, I don't know how you're gonna lose one and in 20yrs I've never had one killed hunting. UKC has always said they're promoting the total dog, and it's funny to me that AKC wants UKC dogs in their registry now. They're plenty of venues to find what your looking for. UKC as of now, would like to keep their show dogs, hunting dogs and that is why I support UKC. I encourage others to breed for the total dog and not show up to a hunt with 2 different breed of dogs. Taking the hunt requirement will only promote dogs that won't hunt, by your own admission Gary. All the best to you

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Good 1 jamey!!

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Good post Jamey.

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Yep!

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