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modify strike points to 25

Make all strike points 25

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Why would you want that seems like a dog that gets off from other dog get coon treed and other dogs go to its tree the dog that strikes first donít get awarded for it that would be wrong

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Dog(s) that split tree "should" be awarded it's/their own set of strike points .... Their should be more than 1 set of strike points in split tree instances..........
Just like split trees are awarded their own set of tree points ......
Never made sense to me .....that in a split tree situation theirs only one set of strike points......
The countdown has helped a little but the strike points are being overlooked.

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Re: modify strike points to 25

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Make all strike points 25


You do this we will all have tight mouth dogs in 20
Years.

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Give that SPLIT DOG HIS STRIK POINTS TOO...... TIGHT IS RIGHT, Two lookin Down

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These strike point arguments are absolutely ignorant. Just tree more coon than what youíre hunting with and you wonít have a problem. All of these excuses ďwell he struck higher so he beat meĒ not he beat you because you didnít tree an extra coon.

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Exactly!!

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I agree on the treeing more coins part .but get a bad guide with no coons the loose mouth dog that is an auto strike will pull away just becousr of the babbling. We have a set of rules that can be bent no matter the situation. No matter what we think babbles need minuses and silent dogs need scratched . That is the rule ....now making that happen is another story. There are great dogs that babble and great silent dogs but the rules give us an answer if we would imply it . And yes it can be proven

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Silent dogs are allowed in UKC. You should read the rules before you try and change them

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These strike point arguments are absolutely ignorant. Just tree more coon than what youíre hunting with and you wonít have a problem. All of these excuses ďwell he struck higher so he beat meĒ not he beat you because you didnít tree an extra coon.
So you see nothing wrong with a dog getting 75 points he didn't earn? In 4 drops he has 300 unearned points.

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So you see nothing wrong with a dog getting 75 points he didn't earn? In 4 drops he has 300 unearned points.


Good post!!

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So you see nothing wrong with a dog getting 75 points he didn't earn? In 4 drops he has 300 unearned points.

9 times out of 10 youíre getting recut and everything is going in for 25. Tree one more coon than everything else and you win.
So say we change the rule so everything strikes the same. We turn loose on a week night everything takes 25 strike and trees a coon in the hour, now we have to continue to hunt until the tie is broken all while having to work in the morning. Yíall complain like liberals when you havenít truly thought through every scenario. Babbling dogs truly are the minority in these hunts get a wild coon treeing unit and you will quit worrying about it.
Instead of saying he struck better so he won say mine didnít tree enough coon to win. Itís a mind set change.

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I would respectfully disagree. If a dog is winning with undeserved points, that is against the rules and it should be scratched. Not awarded a cast won. I also would not agree with the statement of saying it doesnít matter just tree one more coon. The point is getting undeserved points and to acknowledgment that isnít whining, it is pointing out a hole in the rules. It is always nice to win a cast with a blow out, but most casts come down to winning and losing because of what you strike in for.

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1st Strike and 2nd TREE= 175

4th Strike and 1st TREE= 150

A dog can cover a lot of ground in 1 min and 59 seconds. I've been beat a bunch not by a dog treeing more coons then mine but by getting out stuck. Treeing coons is the name of the game not the dog that strikes the quickest.

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These strike point arguments are absolutely ignorant. Just tree more coon than what youíre hunting with and you wonít have a problem. All of these excuses ďwell he struck higher so he beat meĒ not he beat you because you didnít tree an extra coon.


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is this not a picture of our society, no such thing as perfect guys, yea a dog that goes north when the rest go south should get his own strike points, but what about the one that is 20 ft away from the first strike dog treed because 2 coons were running together?? does he diserve his own strike points? an what about that lonely deep silent dog, is he that way because he has a razor blade 6 inches long an youve beat or burned him to the point that hes learned to get away an what happens before you get there it is what it is? rules are fine no such thing as perfect guys, if you dont like ukc rules start your own breed regristry. how long has ukc been conducting hunts??

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I will take third or fourth strike all night long and 125 tree with a dog that has a coon when it trees and win the majority of my casts.

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9 times out of 10 youíre getting recut and everything is going in for 25. Tree one more coon than everything else and you win.
So say we change the rule so everything strikes the same. We turn loose on a week night everything takes 25 strike and trees a coon in the hour, now we have to continue to hunt until the tie is broken all while having to work in the morning. Yíall complain like liberals when you havenít truly thought through every scenario. Babbling dogs truly are the minority in these hunts get a wild coon treeing unit and you will quit worrying about it.
Instead of saying he struck better so he won say mine didnít tree enough coon to win. Itís a mind set change.

I agree completely!! Seems to me, most of the handlers at these UKC events are always yelling about rule changes. Just about every time, itís to give a weaker dog an advantage!! JS

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Striking a babbling dog right off the chain is an unfair advantage anyway you look at it all this tree an extra coon or tree before him is irrelevant bottom line on a sanction that is based on who has the most points and you start off in the hole every turn out because somebody has a hound that never shuts up this is an unfair advantage and is cheating bottom line

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Rule 2B
Babbling: dog(s) declared struck and determined to be babbling shall be minused on strike. If there is any question when a hunting judge is used, the cast must vote immediately. It takes a majority of cast vote to minus. A tied vote results in deleted strike points.

Guess you ask the hunting judge to make a call and see if itís questioned then vote.

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Iím glad I donít see all these crazy babblers at the hunts I go to, not saying Iíve not seen it at all, but itís few and far in between, BUT when I do Iím glad thereís a rule already in place and I call them out and I vote to minus them, the few times Iíve seen it and called it out they were minused. I know thatís not always the way the vote is Gona go, but thatís competition coonhunting.

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If dogs tree seperate coons move up to first tree, how hard would it be to move the dog strike separate up to first strike? I think we all KNOW that the strike points were in place for a time when all dogs were together, NOT split to the 4 corners of the earth. UKC has come a long way in getting the RULES revised to fit today's dogs, but they still need work to get it right. The rules for making a night champion and grand night champion have been changed for the better, as no dog can do anything but win their cast. Eliminating outdated requirements for a first place and beating all other casts score wise was a step in the right direction. Changing strike rules are another step in equalizing the RULES. There is NO valid argument that dogs running and treeing separate coons should not get separate strike points. There are way to many cast winners that won only because they got a first strike that tread the same amount of coon as other dogs in their cast. How can anyone actually feel like they won under these rules? Moving dogs up in strike for treeing separate coons is just as easy as moving them up in tree points for treeing separate coons. Folks, this is not brain surgery, do not complicate it.Dave

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Dave unfortunately I'll be one to disagree, my opinion cast win totals for degrees was just another way this world has changed to participation awards. As far as the rules the two strongest organizations competition coon hunters have are ukc and pkc and as far as rule changes well as long as they have both been around, rules are not getting changed to better the sport. There getting changed to fit the hounds. No longer do people want to train there dogs to fit the rules. They want to change the rules to fit there dogs!!!

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Re: Strike points

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If dogs tree seperate coons move up to first tree, how hard would it be to move the dog strike separate up to first strike? I think we all KNOW that the strike points were in place for a time when all dogs were together, NOT split to the 4 corners of the earth. UKC has come a long way in getting the RULES revised to fit today's dogs, but they still need work to get it right. The rules for making a night champion and grand night champion have been changed for the better, as no dog can do anything but win their cast. Eliminating outdated requirements for a first place and beating all other casts score wise was a step in the right direction. Changing strike rules are another step in equalizing the RULES. There is NO valid argument that dogs running and treeing separate coons should not get separate strike points. There are way to many cast winners that won only because they got a first strike that tread the same amount of coon as other dogs in their cast. How can anyone actually feel like they won under these rules? Moving dogs up in strike for treeing separate coons is just as easy as moving them up in tree points for treeing separate coons. Folks, this is not brain surgery, do not complicate it.Dave



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Rick St Clair

I respect your opinion and agree with your consensus that we are changing the RULES to fit today's dogs. My point exactly regarding the separate strike rule, as we have the separate tree rule. Today's dogs are not together on 1 coon, they are split most of the time. Why would anyone think that 1 dog should benefit more by striking their coon faster if the dogs were on separate tracks and tree separate coons. What logic says this is fair at any time? No one argues that separate trees get scored as separate and dogs gets 125 for separate tree, but does not get a separate strike. SMH. I am 74 and remember when all dogs were together both strike and tree, but we all KNOW that this does not happen with today's dogs ( right or wrong ) it's just the way it is today. It does not take much sense to award the points the dog/s deserve both strike and tree. Why is this so hard for folks to understand? Strike points should not be treated any different than tree points to award the dogs what they deserve. While I do not hunt in the hunts any more, I follow all the major hunts both UKC and PKC and I know for sure that there are many dogs winning casts on the first strike aspect, even though the other dogs tread separate coons. Tell me how this is fair? Dave

P.S. For those saying we are changing the RULES to fit today's dogs, exactly as the original RULES were set to fit the dogs competing in those days.

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