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Originally posted by ClayBottom11
Problem I see here - if itís too hard to enforce/prove to minus.. I donít think itíd ever go as far as being a barring infraction.. lol.
Even if judges would start minusing only the most obvious situations, it would be a good start.
On the local level.. when youíre drawing casts and start asking for a judge, half the casts stare at the floor waiting for somebody else to take the card. Thereís no abundance of willing, experienced judges from what Iíve seen. That being said, the one who does take the card in that situation certainly isnít going to ruffle anybodyís feathers with a call like that.
I remember years ago, the Hammer dogs would babble a lot.
-----This was resolved by jumping 1st tree to 125 points. It worked.
If a dog can get 1st strike and 1st tree, more power to them!!!
Problem = With silent dogs in hunts, a dog that opens on track can be considered a babbler by comparison.
I do understand the issue.
Dog A (Babbler) = First Strike = 100, 4th Tree = 25.
Dogs B, C, and D get struck and treed before Dog A trees. But, Dog A does get treed deep and alone, and when we get there he has a kit coon on a bush. So, we plus his strike, and, we give him an extra 100 tree points (up to 125) for being treed by himself.
So, what is the bigger problem:
(1) The extra 25 strike points he got over the 2nd strike dog, or
(2) The extra 100 tree points he got for being treed alone.
Put another way (as called):
Dog A ---100 Strike ----- 25 Tree (treed 4th) --- Total = 125 (4th)
Dog B --- 75 Strike ----- 50 Tree (treed 3rd) --- Total = 125 (3rd)
Dog C --- 50 Strike ----- 75 Tree (treed 2nd) -- Total = 125 (2nd)
Dog D --- 25 Strike ---- 125 Tree (treed 1st) --- Total = 150 (1st)
So, it's really all of the bonus tree points we give dogs for being treed alone that creates the issue, and penalizes the "real" 1st tree dog!!! Only one dog actually trees 1st.
Shouldn't the first dog to get treed with the meat get more tree points than the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th dogs to get treed with the meat???
How many times do you go hunting and your old dog gets treed. On the way in, your pup falls split treed? Does that mean they did an equal job??? Of Course Not!!! WE ALL KNOW BETTER!!! So, why do we have rules that say they did??? We can still be excited about the pup splitting, and hope that someday soon, they can be the dog that trees 1st.
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