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Why didn't you explain to him that the dog that finds the tree first is rewarded 125 points and the dog that finds the track first gets 100 points. When a dog finds a track, the dog is supposed to track bark so that everyone knows it and his handler can strike him. When a dog finds the tree, it is supposed to tree bark so that his handler can tree him.

Now if a handler thinks the dog tree barks and trees him but he isn't treed, then the dog gets his tree points minused. If a dog track barks and his handler strikes him but the dog isn't trailing, then the dog gets his strike points minused.

It isn't that hard to understand. A hound is supposed to first find a track and then tree it.

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......... and the dog that finds the track first gets 100 points.

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Do handlers train a dog to tree too quick or slick tree?
Do handlers train a dog to open on a track too quick or babble?

Which is worse, a slick tree'er or a babbler?

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IF YOU MAKE 10 POST A DAY ARE YOU A BABBLER

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I'm just a pleasure hunter but have been to a few competition hunts. I went hunting with some serious competition hunters the other night. My dog is pretty tight mouthed which I really don't like. But them boys dogs are struck in before they are cut off the leash. Now I asked them how they put up with all that babbling. The response was: Well that 100 points can mean the difference . Now they would end up under a coon but you would have thought they put them on the track every time they where turned loose. Now if I had them dogs they had I could make some honest hounds out of them in short order and would really have some nice dogs. But the babbling is what they want. I don't think they trained them to babble they just babbled as a pup and they let them get away with it because that's what they want.

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I will also tell you this. I have been a fox hunter my entire life. I seen a dog that would cast never babble at all. Get out there and cut loose buddy you would think he was driving one. People would say nothing could run with him. No they wouldn't run with him because he wasn't running anything just making it up. I told the guy that owned him what he was doing and he was ready to fight. Until I showed him what he was doing. Now this dog won some big hunts and was a major stud dog. So be careful to what you breed to. Slick treeing coondogs ghost running foxhounds . Seen some ghost running rabbit dogs too. Now ole ghost running foxhound would cross the road with some game every once in a while so had some folks fooled and judges fooled. Now foxhounds are off subject . But think about how many times you been beat by something of this nature. This foxhound won a pile of trophies and was never scratched.

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In my opinion the short answer is NO they do not. But that doesn't mean they are doing anything to correct it either.

You see, way more is being done in the breeding pen to develop the trait to babble, than is being done in the training pen. Breed for a more level headed hound and a more level headed hound you will get. Breed for a silent trailing hound and a more silent trailing hound you will get.

Since the rules have now changed to give the silent dog a better advantage, the more you will see dogs being bred to obtain the silent trait. You see it all starts in the breeding pen and then the trainers work to hone the skills of that trait to work to their advantage to win a hunt.


There is no reason now what so ever to NOT allow any canine to participate in a coon treeing contest like is being offered in 2020. Desired traits are now out the window, it's now leaning simply toward the dog that trees the most coon, regardless of how they get it done.

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Clovis I think Foxounds and Deer Hounds are a good subject. Down here in the South a good deer hound is a prize to have. But like coon hounds, they come in many different packages. The owners do also.

Back 50 years ago I fox hunted before I coon hunted. I went to coon hunting because I felt it was a better sport because no matter what a man said his dog was doing. You could walk to a tree and see what the dog was doing. It was a dogs performance backed up by facts in a tree at the end.

I hate to say it, but now 50 years later. There is as many ghost coon hunting as there were ghost fox. Probably a lot more. It just pays a lot better. LOL

The thought of some running hounds that allow me to just sit in the buggy and call them in when they cross a road if I am ready to go. Is starting to sound like a plan.

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Get struck and have a coon at the end is all I know.

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I hunted under pretty much the same current rules in anouther kc. Babbling did not do you any good unless you had a really fast back packer. I hunted a dead last ( not silent ) strike dog ( because that’s all was left rather quickly lol ) but she was indifferent treed coons as she came to them. Most babblers cover to much ground to quick especially in a group of other babblers. By time they heard her treed they either got there to late or didn’t come at all. She with the no leash lock cleaned up behind and to the side of them. This young dog I got which is her half brouther is going to be just like her.



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I love fox hunting but you got to hunt in a foxpen now of days. And if you want to see some cheating dogs go to one and you'll see it. Sometimes I think about getting me some beagles and pretend I'm running a fox in a 10 acre area. And just sit by the fire listening to them.

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Out of all the good foxhounds I've seen run over all these years the early 1980's was the hay day. There was some fine hounds back then. And by the end of the 80's was the last of the outside fox hunting and the beginning of the cutting speed demon pen dogs

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Back in the day ,if a man had a dog that would bark when the cast cut loose , he would shove dirt in his dogs mouth on the start. That way he was to busy running and spitting dirt to bark. 😀

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Two minus and scratched in 30 yards will make you learn how to untrain a babbler.


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Their is a rule, use it. If they start out with 100 minus right off the bat and you can't beat them, then you had better get another dog.

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Their is a rule, use it. If they start out with 100 minus right off the bat and you can't beat them, then you had better get another dog.

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Do handlers train a dog to tree too quick or slick tree?
Do handlers train a dog to open on a track too quick or babble?

Which is worse, a slick tree'er or a babbler?

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Back in the day ,if a man had a dog that would bark when the cast cut loose , he would shove dirt in his dogs mouth on the start. That way he was to busy running and spitting dirt to bark. 😀

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The difference then and now are as follows: 1. Today a lot of the winning dogs have owners that say, he's a winner, but I can't stand to hunt him. 2. Back then, a guy that had a winner says, I love hunting this dog. 3. If I can't say, that I love hunting that dog, I would never own him NO matter what he could or has won. I love this Sport of coon hunting, both pleasure and competition hunting, BUT I will not own a counterfeit, one that barks at nothing, mine better smell a coon when they bark, I don't care what yours is doing. Dave

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Take any young dog when your starting it. Cut a dog loose hold young dog back and pet him up until he’s going crazy barking about 30 drops in a row and bingo you will have one that leaves barking and never shuts up. If they slow down on the barking repeat the process. There ya go I’ve told everyone how to steal a first Strike. Now putting the Plus points on the end of it is a different deal. Someone somewhere is training a dog to babble nightly. 99% of these babbling 100 strike dogs are man made. Go to the bank on it. When I started Demon I thought I needed that 100 strike so I man made it. Dad took him for 2 weeks and almost shocked him steel mouthed. Turned out the less he was barking the more coons he was treeing.

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Dalton, I tried that last night with my pup. It didn't work. I must not have done it right.

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Dalton, I tried that last night with my pup. It didn't work. I must not have done it right.

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Richard everything takes longer with a Redbone

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Y'all run into a lot of babbling dogs at all these hunts? I only see a few here and there. I must be lucky....

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Take any young dog when your starting it. Cut a dog loose hold young dog back and pet him up until he’s going crazy barking about 30 drops in a row and bingo you will have one that leaves barking and never shuts up. If they slow down on the barking repeat the process. There ya go I’ve told everyone how to steal a first Strike. Now putting the Plus points on the end of it is a different deal. Someone somewhere is training a dog to babble nightly. 99% of these babbling 100 strike dogs are man made. Go to the bank on it. When I started Demon I thought I needed that 100 strike so I man made it. Dad took him for 2 weeks and almost shocked him steel mouthed. Turned out the less he was barking the more coons he was treeing.

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