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4 UKC hunts = $80...win 2 × .4 PP's = $80. 4 PKC hunts = $120.. Win 2 = $110-$$170... So there isn't a lot of difference in the money. It all comes back to prestige or personal satisfaction. But you are attempting to compare apple's to oranges.

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100% of cast winners in PKC get paid, I believe Todd posted less than 40% of UKC eligible hounds are permanently paid up so it's more like comparing apples to raisins.

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Jason, I absolutely loved your post, it was heartfelt and you hit the nail on the head as to why most of us hunt. Most do not even realize why they hunt, they just know it's something that makes them feel better. I hope you the best in the future. Dave

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I haven't paid up performance on a dog in quite awhile because of this. whats the point you hardly get back what it cost to play. now on the other side of it id say 90% of dogs registered in pkc are super staked.

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Originally posted by newport
but a Friday night here at home im going somewhere else till I see some changes.

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That is fine If that is what you want to do. As I said, everyone should hunt where they like.
I don't understand why y'all are trying to compare the money at a "money hunt" to the money at a UKC hunt. UKC hunts are NOT money hunts. If you want to hunt strictly for money, then by all means hunt in a PKC hunt. The problem as I see it is when y'all want to try to change UKC hunts to money hunts.

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Oh my goodness I just wish I had somwhere to go 😢

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If you are feeling froggy , you can head back to the sawbriar patch for a rematch. Hopefully, someone can video it this time and post it on this board. I laugh just thinking about it, somehow, I seem to forget my encounter with the barbwire fence. Lol. Dave

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I got one of those barb wire fence stories too !! I was on my tip toes had to have a buddy push that top wire down lol.



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Tarbaby, everyone has one of those. Trying to step over a barbwire fence that is just a teeny bit too high can be dangerous or downright disastrous if you are by yourself.

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Bottom wire I was standing on broke !!




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Richard I hope this don't sound like I am a big dummy but here goes. We have beat this dead horse to a pulp. Now I didn't get but an 8th grade education and I know the folks at ukc probly got buissnes degrees out the wazzoo!! 1979 I hunted in my first ukc hunt probly 70 dogs at this local hunt all day long there were events food to eat , kids playing , at the night hunt if you had plus points come back eat breakfast you might get a trophy!! Then in the 80's ukc changed the format nothing was broken clubs were thriving. You know why they changed it ? Because they couldn't keep up with the paperwork. Now here we are today Clubs are folding , no interest !! Nothing they do is good enough. So they change programs more wins to make a title. Give some money away at big events but you got to pay into there programs all year to get there. What's the first thing they did cut the paper work in half ! Sound familiar !! From the outside looking in I know who it's going to bennifit the most and it ain't the local clubs !!


All they had to do was change a couple rules and the old format give more opertunitys to win everybody would have been happy. Not everybody wants to rub elbows with the big doggies they just want a good meal ,have fun with their family , and get a trophy at the end of the night. If they want $$$ the mini slams would do that a couple rule changes they would flourish.


You see a lot of those guys ukc is trying to appeal to nobody else likes or trust except ukc. Some of those are running events for them and I guess they don't even know it. Because when you tell them they act shocked.


Just a big dummy's opinion

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Oh my goodness Hobo, are you trying to say that sometimes, "Father Knows Best"? I have been saying for years to be careful what you ask for because you might get it.

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Nobody asked anybody I know and I know a ton of people. It was cooperate down sizing simple as that ! Same money, same profit , less work. They have 50 paid employees up there by the better buissnes burrow they make $7,000,000 dollars a year on a 40hr work week except when they are at events. The 85% of us that run their business on the outside run it unpaid often times taking money out of our own pocket. They are a buissnes they will run it that way now if they did not have the peekie poo dogs to lean on they would be more apt to listen to us but as it stands it's about profit simple as that !




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I think we asked for lots of changes, from rule changes to performance, what we got benefits UKC.

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Fred Miller came to Texas twice when I lived there unannounced because he was interested in what we had to say !! I am not as big a dummy as I let on.


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Not saying you don't know ! But actually there was three changes right ? Acha was number 1 ukc changed three times till they got the number 1 spot then it exploded and they couldn't keep up. You think papers come slow now lol. I mean we can tit for tat all night but it took several years for that decision to rear its ugly head now it's hear and I or you can't make it go away. I can't make these clubs open their doors. I can't make people get interested again. When people tell me what they want I can't give it to them. I am handcuffed and it is gone here !! I feel helpless these programs ain't helping my area a bit. They don't want to drive to bum Egypt anymore.



So it is what it is.


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Oh my goodness, now Tarbaby and Hobo are arguing about who knows and remembers the most. Where is Yadkinriver? He knows/remembers more than both of you combined.

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I'm gonna stay out of it and let you gentlemen have it. I'm like the old hippie, I don't like change. I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer and it took me a long time to figure out how to work the old format in my favor and still haven't mastered all of it.
All I can tell you is we used to have fun at the hunts. I've seen the bs judge have to stop judging because of laughing so hard at us trying to swap dogs during the show and cutting up. We also entered when we knew we had no chance of winning like at breed events but we entered just to participate and support our clubs. Don't see that anymore. I sure miss the old atmosphere.

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I'm gonna stay out of it and let you gentlemen have it. I'm like the old hippie, I don't like change. I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer and it took me a long time to figure out how to work the old format in my favor and still haven't mastered all of it.
All I can tell you is we used to have fun at the hunts. I've seen the bs judge have to stop judging because of laughing so hard at us trying to swap dogs during the show and cutting up. We also entered when we knew we had no chance of winning like at breed events but we entered just to participate and support our clubs. Don't see that anymore. I sure miss the old atmosphere.

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The Mafia Clan has that 1 right about being serious , some things we take way to serious and things we should take serious are often ignored., I take a Hiatus for a month to deer hunt and coon hunt and the first post out the gate someone said bad words , must be my quiet and gentile disposition. LOL

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Yea Chuck it's a shame everyone can't be like Mr. Lambert. I knew he had thick skin and a sense of humor when I saw he hunted red dogs and ate homegrown er I mean homemade cookies.

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My dogs are + or - 1/4 RedBone etc. How is the hunting down there this year since the Hurricane?

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I'm on the north side of the state. Didn't bother us up here. Pretty rough hit on the coastal communities. Like to get rid of the 18" of snow that fell this past weekend here.

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In Tars defense the only rewriting of REAL WORLD and AMERICAN History is being done by Global Communist Masquerading has LIBTARD DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST. S/FI!

We had a discussion on another forum about the 223 for use on deer and hogs some agree, some disagree , but those of us who agree only take head or neck shots so we drop them Dead Right There. No Running off or tracking after the shot etc. Now I heard at the feed store of at least 2 local boys who gut shot deer this year with 308 and larger and never found them. There is nothing wrong with the 308 or 12 gauge with Buckshot etc. It is more about shot placement , range estimation etc.

The point I am trying to make is Like Jen said previously about taking things way to serious. We can debate schematics forever it is a potato , potater , tomato , tomater thing all night long will still not fix the problem.

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Mr Allen, some of these guys are just like lawyers. They don't care about fixing any problems. They just like to argue.

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