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It should be ......1)you have to strike on or before the 3rd bark(no grace period) 2) if dog is struck in before 1 min mark, 25pts, after the 1 min mark it gets normal strike points.

In most parts of the country, not many casts tree a coon within that 1 min mark let alone actually strike a track within that 1 min mark. How often pleasure hunting does your dog get struck within the min? And how often do you get treed with the min? Not very often anywhere period. I don't find a barker to be a pleasure to hunt. And I have noticed the same thing on linebred dogs tend to be tighter mouthed than not. Can you train 1 not to be a barker, absolutely!!!!!

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Now we know who the ones are that want to change the rules to fit them!

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what I should have said was opens several times in the first 30 seconds/ right off the lead if it's truly a coon would it be fair to say it's a good track? Would it be fair if a handler struck his/her dog in the first min. at the end of the first min. if the dog/dogs are not opening and carrying the track on to give them one more min. to open if they don't minus them?

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what I should have said was opens several times in the first 30 seconds/ right off the lead if it's truly a coon would it be fair to say it's a good track? Would it be fair if a handler struck his/her dog in the first min. at the end of the first if the dog/dogs are not opening and carrying the track on to give them one more min. to open if they don't minus them?

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You guys are getting closer for what needs to happen. I would like to see the babbling rule disappear and the minus points with it. All dogs struck on or before the 3rd bark. Any dog struck in the first 30seconds of being cut loose would receive 25points. Dogs struck after the 30 seconds would be eligible for available points 100,75,50.

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100%, I've turned loose several times walking dog back to the truck because Dog strike on lead. My experience is, that it's just as likely to be a cold track. They raise cane on the lead bc they are restricted. To your ? , I have to be 100% sure before i call a babble. And the dog would most likely have to in sight. Guessing a dog is babbling is poor judging imo

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But Omer if a dog is struck in for 25,you cant advance over him so all dog would be struck for 25.... 🤣

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What are you going to do with the dogs that strike and tree coon in the first minute. Many of y'all ideas punish these dogs if they are getting treed right out of the gate.

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It should be ......1)you have to strike on or before the 3rd bark(no grace period) 2) if dog is struck in before 1 min mark, 25pts, after the 1 min mark it gets normal strike points.

In most parts of the country, not many casts tree a coon within that 1 min mark let alone actually strike a track within that 1 min mark. How often pleasure hunting does your dog get struck within the min? And how often do you get treed with the min? Not very often anywhere period. I don't find a barker to be a pleasure to hunt. And I have noticed the same thing on linebred dogs tend to be tighter mouthed than not. Can you train 1 not to be a barker, absolutely!!!!!

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makes since.

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You can strike a coon almost anywhere in the northern states within a minute if you got a dog that goes hunting. You can do it regularly pleasure or competition. Now 30 seconds you almost never do pleasure hunting unless your treed right out of the gate. Dogs can easily be 400 to 500 yds in a minute and that is plenty of area to strike a coon.

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I agree with jkidd, a dog treeing on a separate tree should have 100 strike POINTS . We all know it was a different coon, just like we treat trees separately, how hard would it be to treat those strikes separately. We now have a double standard with trees and strike points, how is this fair? Dave

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
I agree with jkidd, a dog treeing on a separate tree should have 100 strike POINTS . We all know it was a different coon, just like we treat trees separately, how hard would it be to treat those strikes separately. We now have a double standard with trees and strike points, how is this fair? Dave

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i think if a dog trees a mile away on a coon should be scored in by the order it was called . say 25 if it was the forth dog treed . why give it a extra 100 points for treeing last ?

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Get a faster dog! Strike points is to award the fastest smartest dog.

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Get a faster dog! Strike points is to award the fastest smartest dog.

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Well heck get a luckyer dog, look all this talk will never get a rule changed, not one person on here can tell me how to get a rule changed,Who do you send a rule change perposal to? Who is on the rules committee? Who put them on the rules committee, who makes the final vote, who put them in charge of the final vote?
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i think if a dog trees a mile away on a coon should be scored in by the order it was called . say 25 if it was the forth dog treed . why give it a extra 100 points for treeing last ?

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Oh my goodness, now that is a novel idea. The dog that trees a coon first gets 100 and the rest get less no matter where they are. Now that would sure change things around. Breeders and trainers would sure have to rethink things.

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Well I'm having a little problem agreeing with Mr. Richards and J Kidd on the issue of every separate tree certainly must be a separate track, thus getting rewarded 100 strike points regardless of actual strike position.

I say that because, in a lot of cases, ole Mr. 1st tree dog gets treed but is actually pulled up on a tapped tree, and the Me too movement piles right on with them, and Ole Mr. Brains of the cast is setting 50 to 75 yards away all by themselves, "with the coon" I might add.

Now that is not a separate track, but in reality just a smarter tree dog. What do you do when that happens????

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We used to have track and tree dogs back in the " good old days". Now in these modern times we only have tree dogs. Why is that? Why do hunters today only want tree dogs? Nobody wants to sit down and listen to a beautiful bawl mouth hound work a track. Nowadays they just want to run from tree to tree. They want dogs that run through the woods with their head in the air. "The dog that trees the most coons wins". Whatever happened to, "the dog that does the best job wins".

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We used to have track and tree dogs back in the " good old days". Now in these modern times we only have tree dogs. Why is that? Why do hunters today only want tree dogs? Nobody wants to sit down and listen to a beautiful bawl mouth hound work a track. Nowadays they just want to run from tree to tree. They want dogs that run through the woods with their head in the air. "The dog that trees the most coons wins". Whatever happened to, "the dog that does the best job wins".

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Dave, separate trees does not always mean separate coons, but we score the trees separately and rightly so. We have to be realistic here, often dogs are treed on separate coons, why should one dog have an advantage on strike POINTS, just because it barked first. That would be like saying which dog treed first, regardless of separate trees. No one would like that, why should the strike POINTS be any different? Dave

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When no dog is struck in, they're competing to see which dog finds a track first. When they strike different tracks they're no longer competing for the first tree. One coon might pop up and the other run a mile.

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There is nothing wrong with the rule as is some just try to improperly enforce it in a way it isn't written. For instance, whether a dog strikes under the minute plays no barring in if it should be minused for barking or not. The babbling rule and 1 minute grace period are separate are two different rules. Minusing a dog for babbling rule, a dog may be minused at any time during a hunt for babbling where no track is evident. 1 minute rule is a grace period everytime the handler turns loose where you are not forced to strike your dog on or before the third bark like all other times of the hunt.

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It ran it's own track and treed it's own coon. Why is that any different from the dog that treed first?? It did the same EXACT thing on a different coon. Why should a second strike, second tree, follow up me too dog score as much as a dog that ran a separate track? If the dog is a mile away or even shorter distances it was obviously first strike and first tree on that coon.

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