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Okay 4 dog Nite Ch cast (2 walkers 1 english and 1 bluetic). We lined them up the first drop and cut them loose. Walker female strikes for 100 which we could barley hear followed by the bluetic for 75. We then walk about 100 or so yards and stood there listening to the walker tree for about 3 minutes then the bluetic covers and he trees it for 125 followed by the walker for 75. We proceed to the tree and the other walker is struck for 50 and treed split for 125. Im still not struck in yet keep in mind. We shine the walker and blue dogs tree and circle it then they lead there 2 dogs over to the other walker dog and about 7 minutes into shinning the tree the judge tells me he can hear my dog barking. (((OF course he knows im getting 100 strike if i strike him before the tree is scored, so he tries to talk me into striking him. I told him there's no way i can hear him with 3 dogs treeing right beside me))) i look over and he is whispering to another cast member saying he can hear my dog. I knew what was going on but what could i do? I then notice him whipping his dog (to try and keep her quiet) I should have scratched him right then but i allowed it. We circled the tree and my dog was not barking that i could hear with them leading dogs right by me. They rushed to re-cast there dogs and the judge with the bluedog struck his dog right in front of us in about 10 seconds. It got quiet and i could hear my dog way through the couintry treed every breath. I struck and treed him and pointed where he was and stated he's a long ways away. The judge said he could not hear him and he was putting the 2 minutes on me, i replied saying you HAVE TO SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE between these dogs and he said no if you treed him i should be able to hear him. I said i can hear him plainley every breath and maybe i have better hearing then you. I then added you DON'T HEAR HIM BECAUSE YOU DON'T want to hear him.. Another cast member said he could hear a dog treeing but couldn't tell where i ponted right where i did in the first place and said if you will walk up a little you will hear him. We argued for almost 10 minutes no lie about what the judge wanted to do. He said point me in the EXACT direction where he is so i did and he lead the way. He walked 10 to 15 yards right handed of where i pointed and stopped and said he has moved!!! I started laughing and said you have got to be kidding me!!! He said im voting to minus him and he called for a vote but both guys were taking forever to vote. His tree had been dead for over 20 minutes and finally i said well im voting to scratch you for refusing to walk to my dog that's been treed for over 20 minutes and then it got a little ugly. i called him many things which wasn't right of me but i couldn't help it, knowing what he was trying to do from the start. We finally walked to my dog and scored the tree.

Now what i want to know is can i file a formal complaint against this man???

I have drawn him 4 times now and you don't want to know what he tried one night. Every time ive drawn him he pulls something. Like 1 example is when scoring a tree the guy will say keep them low and he throws his spotlight immediatley just little tricks and he tries some major ones too. Pm me if anyone wants to know his name.

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You are confusing the Formal Complaint with the Misconduct Complaint. But to answer your question, if you " called him many things which was not right", then the Misconduct Complaint would be more likely filed against you.

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You are comfusing the Formal Complaint with the Misconduct Complaint. But to answer your question, if you " called him many things which was not right", then the Misconduct Complaint would be more likely filed against you.

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Don't you just love them cast!!!LOL Some of these hunts anymore you dang near have to carry a gun!! LOL And it seems like the ones for just trophys and titles are worse!!!

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I was just going by what you said in your post. If you call someone many things that are not right, there is a fairly good chance that might be considered an act of misconduct.
To answer your question, I have been in the very same situation myself before. Most of us that have hunted in these huntes a few years or more have been in that situation before. How I handle it is I ask for a cast vote. If I don't agree with the cast vote I put a question on the card. If I feel the MOH ruled wrong I file a Formal Complaint. And that is the extent of it for me.

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Okay thanks because there has got to be some kind of consequences for this kind of behavior.

Then to boot once we finnaly started walking to him they kept wanting to stop and listen for there dogs i told them his tree had been dead for 20 minutes but they kept stopping. Ridiculous and ignorance at the same time. i can't put up with it much longer. You try to show youre dogs ability off and people try to take it. No offense to anyone but look at the lifestyles of many many many coon hunters. Look at how many don't work and have no life and we expect them to be honest when it comes to the hunts? Not likeley.

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Any more thoughts on this???

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he and others like him are the reason alot of us stopped going to these hunts who wants to put money up and right from the start they are tryin to screw you,that dont sound like fun to me ,and thats what these hunts were suppose to be show how good your dog is (or bad some nights) and have a good time with 3 other coon hunters

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I tell you nothing is more pleasurable then drawing 4 good honest guys!! You can make alot of friends through this sport but it's becoming so rare to draw 3 honest guys. Im going to start confronting guys like this judge face to face just like i did with him. That's the only way to solve a problem. How can someone be proud of winning by cheating?? Makes no sense to me. I tell you people think i whine and complain about certain people BUT one thing is forsure i have never 1 time got a win due to having to cheat NEVER ONCE and im rpoud of that.

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First of all, as the judge he could have minused you the next available position for not striking your dog on or before the 3rd bark. Then scratched you on the next offence.

Second any handler who got that confrontational (I called him many things) in a cast I was judging would be headed back to the truck.

Those things being said, having a bad judge is about as miserable as a hunt gets. These things seem to happen more at the local club level where character or ability have less to do with the picking of judges than say who has a place to take the cast hunting, or who is buddys with who.

The formal complaint process is great when used properly, same goes for the misconduct report. Ive seen them abused as well.

Ive always thought the clubs should be held responsible for the judges they pick. Once they had a few events withheld, I think you would see bigger changes in the selection of judges than formal complaints or misconduct reports against a single individual could possibly bring.

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First of all, as the judge he could have minused you the next available position for not striking your dog on or before the 3rd bark. Then scratched you on the next offence.

Second any handler who got that confrontational (I called him many things) in a cast I was judging would be headed back to the truck.

Those things being said, having a bad judge is about as miserable as a hunt gets. These things seem to happen more at the local club level where character or ability have less to do with the picking of judges than say who has a place to take the cast hunting, or who is buddys with who.

The formal complaint process is great when used properly, same goes for the misconduct report. Ive seen them abused as well.

Ive always thought the clubs should be held responsible for the judges they pick. Once they had a few events withheld, I think you would see bigger changes in the selection of judges than formal complaints or misconduct reports against a single individual could possibly bring.

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so, did you win the cast in the end?
That's always the best revenge!

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Based on what you said in your last post, no I wouldnt have scratched you, however a handler who loses his cool will go home early in a cast I judge.

As for striking your dog..........lets just say I got the impression you were waiting for the tree to close to "hear" your dog. A little slick handling of your own so to speak.

It really makes no difference though. If a judge can plainly hear a dog, and its not struck on or before the 3rd bark, its minused the next available position. Can this be abused? Sure it can just like several other judges calls. You could of coarse ask for a vote to try and overturn that call, but it would take a majority vote to do it. 2-2 dont cut it. Your only other option after that would be a ? on the card and a formal complaint should the MOH decide with the judge (normally they do). I dont know as UKC would overturn both a judges call and a MOH's decision on something like that, but who knows they might in the right circumstances

This is the reason clubs should pay very close attention to who they pick as judges. Some do a far better job than others.

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Slick, you really need to learn what a Formal Complaint is. You cannot "file a formal complaint on him". Formal complaints are not filed against anyone.

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so, did you win the cast in the end?
That's always the best revenge!

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Going to a nite hunt with the intention of prooving to the rest of the coonhunting world how great your dog is the source of 99% of the problems in nite hunts...IMO

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He could hear it barking and you could'nt..Then you could hear it treed and he could'nt......LOL.......

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I agree with Josh. People take this sport too personal. They are only dogs and the best in the world will get beat by a dog nobody would feed but the owner. That's just the way it is. The best dog/handler doesn't always win.

If you go to a nitehunt expecting or looking for problems, it sure won't take much to find it. Sure, there are jerks every place you go no matter what you are doing. Don't feed the confrontation!!! Know the rules and be able to quickly find it on the back of the card to prove your point. Still don't get the result you feel you are entitled to, ask for a vote, and if needed after that, put a question on the card.

By all means remain calm and don't raise your voice. Once voices rise, the whole cast is in for a long night with no fun whether you win or lose.

In the end, whether you prove you are right, win a cast vote, or win a question taken back to the MOH, don't stand there and run your mouth. After all is said and done, win or lose, shake everyone's hands, thank the guide, and thank the judge. I don't care if they are the biggest jerk at the club, just do it.

In this case I think we had a judge that was worried about a dog sitting by itself while he had just gotten circled. He wanted the dog struck in for 25, while you were hoping nobody could hear your dog so you could go on for 100 and 125. And, obviously, it snowballed from there.

All you can do is remain calm and remember it is just a nitehunt, and these are just dogs.

I will be handling a dog this weekend for the first time in over a year. I guarantee that I will have fun, and there will be no arguing going on because I have paid my dues and seen some of the ****est things and people in the hunts. Not much flusters me anymore.

Last of all, and I think most of the veterans will agree, there will be a few that you just don't see eye to eye with in a cast no matter how many times you draw them. All you can do is try to get along and don't allow them to ruin the cast. Get a few hundred casts under your belt and you will be able to deal with the bad cast a lot easier.

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We need some cheaters. If it wasn't for them no body would want to keep score.

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Everytime I read a post like this it makes me wonder what am I doing wrong.The hunts I've been in the cast I was on no one ever acted like any of this stuff.everyone was always nice and calm and got along with each other.No fighting arguing or anything.As well as no mean dogs.But thats a different subject.I'm either doing something wrong by not getting in any cast like this or I've just been lucky.Oh well such is life I guess.

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You must just be easy to get along with and don't have a chip on your shoulder. ( :
A man told me once when people didn't like there neighbor. No matter were they move they will never like there neighbor.
If a person got along with there neighbor they would no matter were they lived. Thought he was full of it at the time BUT have figured out since he was pretty well right.
I think the hunts are about the same thing. The ones I have been in were people got mad would remind you of some 4 year olds. One little smart remark and it's on.

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Yes I am pretty easy to get along with and no chip on my shoulder.I just call my dog for what it does.If it wins it wins if it loses it loses.If I ever was in one of these casts like some of you have been.I'd still just call my dog for what it does.Not going to get all worked up about some knuckle head in a hunt who wants to win at all costs.Though if someone did try some outright cheating I'd sure say something and bring it to the MOH's attention the right way.If someone lets stuff like cheating slide to me they are just as guilty as the crooks.But all in all to me at the end of the night its just another hunt to me.Not like is a billion dollars riding on the outcome.If any of that makese sense.
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The guy that told you that stuff about someone liking or not liking whoever they lived next to.Sure hit the nail on the head I think.

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so, did you win the cast in the end?
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