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Therein lies the real problem, no one should ever have to worry about their dog staying at the tree with other dogs. We would never have a problem if every one refused to hunt a mean dog. No dog should have to stay treed with a alligator, the alligator should not be put in a hunt. All the talk about wanting your dog to stay treed would be a moot point if the mean dogs were eliminated. I put the blame on a handler who knowingly hunts a mean dog to get a advantage in a cast. No dog should be expected to take the heat and stay treed, there is no excuse for hunting a mean dog period. Dave

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Some handlers only care about themselves and their own dog. If their dog attacks another dog or runs it off a tree, it was the other dogs fault for just being there.

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I remember when I was visiting with Dave Dean at the Bluetick hunt in Iowa and a “ competitor” came up and said that his dog “would do what ever it took” to stay treed. That was back in the 80’s and that was just for a Trophy! Now put some GREEN on the table and I bet that brings out even better “stay put” tree dogs. Just saying😉

Wonder if that’s why there’s more, “get deep and lonely” tree dogs lately 😇😇😇

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Does Wild Willie have any tricks to make a dog more aggresive? Can he teach a timid dog to stay treed when an aggressive dog starts blowing and face barking? One of the best dogs I ever had would have first and first on every tree but would leave when another dog came in and started blowing.

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If I drawed him in a hunt I WOULD GET BORROWED FOR KILLING A DOG. AND THATS A FACT

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If I drawed him in a hunt I WOULD GET BORROWED FOR KILLING A DOG. AND THATS A FACT

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Therein lies the real problem, no one should ever have to worry about their dog staying at the tree with other dogs. We would never have a problem if every one refused to hunt a mean dog. No dog should have to stay treed with a alligator, the alligator should not be put in a hunt. All the talk about wanting your dog to stay treed would be a moot point if the mean dogs were eliminated. I put the blame on a handler who knowingly hunts a mean dog to get a advantage in a cast. No dog should be expected to take the heat and stay treed, there is no excuse for hunting a mean dog period. Dave

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THAT'S LIKE LETTING A GROWN MAN JUMP ON YOUR SON. WOULD YOU WATCH IT , ARE TAKE ACTION

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I think most folks are fine with what you describe in your last post, heck even most dogs are fine with that kind of situation. Being pushed for tree position is not a reason for most dogs to fight, they will usually concede to each other by taking turns on the tree. A mean dog just does not want anything on the tree but them and will fight other dogs if they even get close to the tree. No one should tolerate that kind of behavior, big big difference. As far as taking their part, a lot of very peaceful dogs will fight if they get jumped on. No different than a man who is not aggressive but will not let a bully jump on Him without taking his part. We ALL know the difference in a dog that's mean and adog just trying to get position on a tree. Folks hunting alligators know their dog is aggressive, just like the bully, they start the fight, it's not a take my part situation. Dave

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That's exactly what I warned anyone hunting a alligator about, some handlers WILL NOT tolerate such behavior from a dog or handler. Hunting a alligator in the hunts WILL catch up to a man and the outcome might not suit him very well. I can not stand a mean dog period, don't know how anyone else could. Dave

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That's exactly what I warned anyone hunting a alligator about, some handlers WILL NOT tolerate such behavior from a dog or handler. Hunting a alligator in the hunts WILL catch up to a man and the outcome might not suit him very well. I can not stand a mean dog period, don't know how anyone else could. Dave

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I think most folks are fine with what you describe in your last post, heck even most dogs are fine with that kind of situation. Being pushed for tree position is not a reason for most dogs to fight, they will usually concede to each other by taking turns on the tree. A mean dog just does not want anything on the tree but them and will fight other dogs if they even get close to the tree. No one should tolerate that kind of behavior, big big difference. As far as taking their part, a lot of very peaceful dogs will fight if they get jumped on. No different than a man who is not aggressive but will not let a bully jump on Him without taking his part. We ALL know the difference in a dog that's mean and adog just trying to get position on a tree. Folks hunting alligators know their dog is aggressive, just like the bully, they start the fight, it's not a take my part situation. Dave

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Lol. Yes, there are folks that will grab any excuse they can as to why their dog done something wrong, like leave a tree, etc. Just because there are idiots who hunt alligators does not mean all dogs are mean. Seriously, we ALL know the difference, just like we know when dogs are babbling. I forgot common sense isn't so common anymore or is it that folks want to win any way they can? I have not seen a mean dog or alligator in many years, but that's the way it should be. I just hate to see or read someone's post that thinks hunting a mean dog is cool. Dave

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My .02 the mean dogs exist more on the message boards than they do in the hunts.

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Lol. Yes, there are folks that will grab any excuse they can as to why their dog done something wrong, like leave a tree, etc. Just because there are idiots who hunt alligators does not mean all dogs are mean. Seriously, we ALL know the difference, just like we know when dogs are babbling. I forgot common sense isn't so common anymore or is it that folks want to win any way they can? I have not seen a mean dog or alligator in many years, but that's the way it should be. I just hate to see or read someone's post that thinks hunting a mean dog is cool. Dave

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I have owned dogs from down right sisified to mean. Both extremes are worthless to me.

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There's a couple of guys(partners) that knowingly hunt two mean dogs i have witnessed it first hand, I have hunted with three different dogs out of three different litters they are all mean the breeder even admitted that the the mean was coming from the mother but he keeps breeding her how can real coon hunters put a stop to this?

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22 bullet. Lol. Seriously, I have zero tolerance for a I'll or mean dog. The guys you described should be barred from the hunts. Get the dog wrote up for fighting and get the dog barred from the hunts, UKC has a policy in effect for fighting dogs. One can also do like Buford Pusser walk softly and carry a big stick and know when to use it. Lol. Dave

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WELL MOST WILL NOT AGGREE WITH ME , BUT IF YOU HUNT A MEAN AGRESSIVE DOG YOU DON'T HAVE A COON DOG YOU HAVE A FRIEND STOPPER AND A MENTAL PROBLEM AND SHOULD NEVER BE ALOUD TO HUNT IN NITE HUNT. PROBLEM SOLVER 22 BULLET RIGHT IN THE HEAD....................................................................

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It’s no fun if you draw a mean dog in a hunt but, it’s not something that’s prevelant. Most cast will have no problems and like I mentioned earlier I believe the mean dogs are mentioned more on forums than exist in the hunts.

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I agree i've not had any trouble other than these same guys four litter mate brothers they sold two kept two the two that sold 22 bullet the two they kept their going to hunt all mean another male they sold the guy was going to 22 bullet his wife called these guys and they traded another dog for it and they are putting him in hunts now and the dog they traded to the guys wife 22 bullet, all these dogs are out of the same female and they are still breeding her.they know what they'er doing.

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I agree with what you are saying, but the fact is that some folks still think a mean dog is okay. Yes, there are very few mean dogs being hunted in the hunts, but the fact is 1mean dog is 1 to many. No one should ever hunt a mean dog in the hunts, but it does happen. Dave

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I will take any mean dog you guys have if he has the coon consistently and doesn’t run trash. I hunt them alone and don’t care as long as they get treed quick and are accurate. I don’t competition hunt and don’t breed for puppies.

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I will take any mean dog you guys have if he has the coon consistently and doesn’t run trash. I hunt them alone and don’t care as long as they get treed quick and are accurate. I don’t competition hunt and don’t breed for puppies.

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