Registered: Oct 2015
Location: Oliver Springs, TN
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I’ve got a young dog (2yr). He got started late when he was a year and three months. He does really well for the most part and is pretty straight. The only thing i can’t line out is some nights he will start a cold track and will trail trail trail for up to 30-45 minutes and never put an end to it and just quit it. He may not go 200-300 yards in that time. I’m hoping that with age and experience that he will learn to not start a track he can’t finish. I dont want to call him off a track because you never know if it’s one that he can put up. Do any of you all have any experience with dogs that will eventually learn not to mess with a track so cold that he can’t do anything with it?

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My hound did this quite a bit until around 2 1/2 - 3 years old. He also became much more tight mouthed until he has the track lined out good.

Another thing I found out about mine was that when he runs a track to a hole... It would confuse him, when he was younger he would back track from a hole, and try to run it again towards the hole. Again something he eventually got better at.... Now if he ends up at a hole he just quits, moves on and finds another track.

So be patient.... They can learn to track and tree easy and hot tracks as young dogs... But they will continue to get smarter and more consistent for several years.

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Are you running a gps tracking system. It will give you very valuable info and let you know just how much the dog is going over the same track.

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Bruce, yes I’m running an alpha. He’s not back tracking, just moving real slow usually. Sometimes he’ll spin back or come back a little but for the most part he’s moving in one direction just like he’s moving a very cold track and never ends it. Doesn’t happen often. But i don’t want it happening at all

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I know you said hes not backtracking on GPS movements, but is it possible the track is so cold that he is starting it the wrong way and thus it gets worse until he quits it? Some dogs will learn to turn if they have the wrong end and some dont.

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A lot of track minded medium to cold nose young dogs are like this. Especially in the spring and summer months. Most will get better if they are given a chance but most of the time late spring and summer will not be the time of year they look their best. Seen several that take the track the wrong way when they hit these periods they are struggling. Takes lots of hunting to make a coon dog especially a colder nose trailing type hound.

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Some day, you are going to like the fact he cold trails, hopefully, he makes a real track dog. Part of the fun in coon hunting is listening to a dog work a track up, he will learn in time, but you can not put nose where it's not. Consider yourself lucky to have a colder nosed dog. Dave

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Some day, you are going to like the fact he cold trails, hopefully, he makes a real track dog. Part of the fun in coon hunting is listening to a dog work a track up, he will learn in time, but you can not put nose where it's not. Consider yourself lucky to have a colder nosed dog. Dave

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Dave, you are right. I’ve seen him tree coons on nights when other dogs that i know are solid coon dogs either couldn’t smell them or didn’t want anything to do with a track that cold. Sometimes it’s painstakingly long and he does eventually put a tree to it and when he does he usually has the coon. As mentioned above, the tracks he isn’t finishing he could be moving the wrong way until the get so cold he can’t smell them.

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Dave, you are right. I’ve seen him tree coons on nights when other dogs that i know are solid coon dogs either couldn’t smell them or didn’t want anything to do with a track that cold. Sometimes it’s painstakingly long and he does eventually put a tree to it and when he does he usually has the coon. As mentioned above, the tracks he isn’t finishing he could be moving the wrong way until the get so cold he can’t smell them.

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Brad are you saying that when watching the track it doesn't show the dog kind of bogs down and circles and works the same track again trying to figure it out. I think that is the biggest think the GPS tracking systems taught a lot of hunters. Not that their dog was just circling in a swamp trying to figure out a track that has them overloaded but is circling exactly the same track two or three times which is even worse.

So you saying the tracks show the dog is moving slowly but not covering the same track twice. Then come to an end and can't take it any further and quits and moves on. If that is the case, I would be marking the end of the tracks and going in there and see just was was there. A den tree. A hole in the ground. A coon in a tree. That is the info you need to know. To make a determination on future actions.

Seeing what is there tells you if he is maybe back tracking. Trailing trash to a hole or putting a coon up and not treeing it. Information you need and the GPS tracker can lead to to the answer. Good Luck.

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Registered: Oct 2015
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You hit the nail on the head Bruce. For the most time on the tracks he doesn’t finish, he’s only moving one direction. He’s not running those tracks back and forth. He moves it mainly in one direction. It may take him 20 minutes to go 300-500 yards sometimes. COLD trailing. Then just stops and goes on. What you’re saying makes sense. Mark where he stops and go to it. On a hot track or medium track he can flat out move a track and gets hooked and he’s accurate. He can even look great on a cold track a lot of times and have the coon. But some nights it just seems like he’s trying to move a track that was laid down days prior and he just can’t seem to put an end to it. In the hunts it will hurt him if he does it because he’s getting struck in and trying to grub that track up and never end it.

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Brad, I just saw where your from Oliver Spings. My Son lives in Powell and owns some land in that area and leases some more. I think it is on Hoskins or Hopkins Gap road or something like that. The land borders Wind Rock Property and actually about a year ago they purchased the 900 acres he had under lease. They allowed my Son to maintain the lease. That area is booming with people wanting to purchase land and build camp sites for those visiting Wind Rock.
My Son is retiring and moving back to Fl. and he actually has his 100 acres under contract to sell. He has taken some nice deer off that property the past dozen or so years.

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I know exactly where his property is Bruce. I was looking on maps the other day and saw your name. His property by windrock is only about 10 minutes from my house.

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I’ve got a young dog (2yr). He got started late when he was a year and three months. He does really well for the most part and is pretty straight. The only thing i can’t line out is some nights he will start a cold track and will trail trail trail for up to 30-45 minutes and never put an end to it and just quit it. He may not go 200-300 yards in that time. I’m hoping that with age and experience that he will learn to not start a track he can’t finish. I dont want to call him off a track because you never know if it’s one that he can put up. Do any of you all have any experience with dogs that will eventually learn not to mess with a track so cold that he can’t do anything with it?

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I had a female years ago that did that very same thing.As someone stated above by the time she was a four year old she was the most consistant hound I have ever owned.And yes there were nights she would really get on my nerves but I just let her pound away and eventually she learned to pick up her head and made good hound dogs look bad.

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Don't know the critters in your neighborhood. By the way u describe it reminds me of a young hound I was starting and after some detective work I discovered mine was trailing Mink. Probably I'm way off base on your situation, but thought I'd share anyway. Best luck. Have fun!!!

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Don't know the critters in your neighborhood. By the way u describe it reminds me of a young hound I was starting and after some detective work I discovered mine was trailing Mink. Probably I'm way off base on your situation, but thought I'd share anyway. Best luck. Have fun!!!

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Could be cold trailing off game, could be running a track backward, could be just over loading his butt on a colder track he can't figure and he may get better at it but maybe never able to run and finish one. Too many could be's to give you an answer on exactly what is happening from this screen. You have 2 options you can A live with it and leave him alone or B get in there and switch him off of it and send him on.

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Could be cold trailing off game, could be running a track backward, could be just over loading his butt on a colder track he can't figure and he may get better at it but maybe never able to run and finish one. Too many could be's to give you an answer on exactly what is happening from this screen. You have 2 options you can A live with it and leave him alone or B get in there and switch him off of it and send him on.

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When I started hunting as a teenager we used to light a fire and sit on a log while the dogs worked a track . You definitely can’t sit around with today’s hounds . They get gone and move it out or at least mine do . Maybe just maybe these hounds are better than my old hounds . They fit the timber we have now better if that makes sense

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You did not say or I missed it what breed of dog. This is usually true of the colder nosed blue or black hounds.Some dogs have more nose then they got brains to work the track they are smelling. Many of these dogs when their brains catch up to their noses you will some day be proud of their cold trailing ability. Some are better then others but the skill needs to be fine tuned by letting them work their butts off to figure it all out.

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