houndsound
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Originally posted by Allen / UKC
The majority got it right (58%). Here's a breakdown towards finding the right rule(s) that apply to the specific scenario.
Three dogs are treeing as called when they arrive at the tree. The dog in question is Dog D, who is also treeing at this tree but was not declared treed. Where some get caught up and ultimately end up with the wrong ruling is scoring Dog D too soon. In other words, in accordance with the rules, the proper scoring for Dog D solely depends on how the tree is scored.
So when it comes to "dogs treeing but not declared treed", the thing to remember is this. We need to score the tree first. This is true 100% of the time. There's going to be three potential possibilities in play.
1) coon seen.
2) no coon seen and the tree is circled.
3) no coon seen and the tree is ruled as either being slick or contains off game.
1) If the tree has a coon seen.......... Rule 4(d) applies. {If dog declared treed; after three minutes has elapsed no additional dog can be declared treed at that particular tree. Dog(s) treeing but not declared treed when judge arrives minus strike points if coon is seen.}
2) If no coon is seen and tree is circled.......Rule 5(a) applies. {where dog strikes and trees on a tree or a hole in the ground where there could be coon, yet judge does not see see con and no off game is seen.}
3) If tree is slick or contains off game....... Rule 4(h) applies. {Dogs treeing but not declared treed when judge arrives, will be assigned and minused 25 tree points on off game or slick tree. Dogs shut out* on strike on slick or off game will receive minus tree points only.}
Correct Scoring....... In referencing each of the rules noted above, we see that #3 Rule 4(h) applies to Dog B. That rule also mentions dogs shut out on strike. A dog shut out on strike is one that was not declared struck before the first dog was declared treed on this particular tree. Dog B was in fact struck in before Dog A was declared treed, therefore, Dog B was not shut out on strike. The rule mentions dogs shut out on strike on strike to receive minus tree points only. We know that wasn't the case, so we interpret this to mean that Dog D shall be minused BOTH strike and tree points.
Dog B was declared struck for 75 strike points. We're now going to award him 25 points on tree AND minus both strike and tree points. 75 (strike) + 25 (tree) = 100 total minus for Dog B on this turnout. Final answer.
So when does rule 3(e) come into play if not here? ..." If they are at tree shut out* on when judge arrives, strike points are deleted..." Very confusing to me. For someone on the outside, trying to learn these rules I think they are just organized poorly at times. Rule 3 is POINTS WILL BE PLUS... but 3(e) discusses deleting and minusing..... which seems to be in contradiction to the real answer.?
Which rule allows you to minus the strike point? Looking at rule 4(a-d) I don't see which desrcibe this situation. 4(a) is the closest... but there is not reason to assume the dog "quit" the track then came in to the tree. Rule 3(e) seems to fit the scenario better- no?
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