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Reuben
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Telling the story...

Before the Garmin...Back in the older days dog men and women would visualize in their minds what the dogs were doing and some would tell the story as it played out...
Today, the Garmin tells the story with accuracy...for me it doesnít matter so much that we could have been wrong at times...being able to tell the story as it unfolds whether it be 100 percent right on with a few imperfections was a big part of the hunt for some of us...

Some see black or white, and true or false...others see it from a different angle and thatís what make the world go round...

Some see a Walker hound that is black, white and tan, weighing about 60 pounds and is built correctly...others see that and also a special air, demeanor and sophistication about the dog and puts his money on that dog...

When the dog is treed...some look for the coon before deciding there is a coon in tree or if it is a slick tree...
others analyze the situation as they look for the coon...they take into consideration how the dog is acting while treeing, they understand how coon scent comes off the tree...some scent particles will rise in the wind, some will float and WAY MORE scent particles will drop to the ground if the coon is in the tree...they also take into account weather conditions and environment...
So if no coon is in the tree the scent coming off the tree will not be the same...dogs should know the difference...

Some of this is true and some is theoretical...
Just wanting to see other dog folks thinking on this...

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Bruce m. Conkey
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Ruben, I will respond to your first paragraph. Having more information that the Garmin Brings to you. Opened my eyes and taught me that a lot of my visualizations were wrong. I then realized I had to react to the story the garmin was telling me. WHICH IS FACT. Not the story my mind was allowing me to accept.

Like an old time hunting buddy. This man when he was able to get around the woods and see what his dogs were doing. Had some real nice hounds. When he started to rely on people telling him what his dogs were doing because he couldn't make it to the tree to see. The quality of his dogs went down. Dogs and People will let you down and your mind will go along with it. Unless you know and face the facts of the situation.

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Reuben
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I agree...

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Re: Telling the story...

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Originally posted by Reuben

When the dog is treed...some look for the coon before deciding there is a coon in tree or if it is a slick tree...
others analyze the situation as they look for the coon...they take into consideration how the dog is acting while treeing, they understand how coon scent comes off the tree...some scent particles will rise in the wind, some will float and WAY MORE scent particles will drop to the ground if the coon is in the tree...they also take into account weather conditions and environment...
So if no coon is in the tree the scent coming off the tree will not be the same...dogs should know the difference...

Some of this is true and some is theoretical...
Just wanting to see other dog folks thinking on this...

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Here's my thoughts.....this is a listening game before it becomes a seeing game .

I'm listening to my dog.
The hunter should know his dog ,this is the story that is being told...the dog trees differently on sliks, dens & plus trees.... occasionally the dog will gamble, and a good dogmen will know that too ,if u know ur dog, u will know the difference.
If u don't then u will be relieing on the Garmin to think for u.
No Garmin is going to tell u the difference...on the tree, .....all u will know is that the dog is treed.....

The Garmin is a good tool....but ...........it's no substitute for listening.

Listening to a dog tell a story is fast becoming a lost art......

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I like to be able to gather as much information as possible. The garmin has really helped move that process along for me and took some of the guessing out of the game. It's helped me move the training process forward and saved time, and perhaps stopped bad habits before they became a "habit". One of the best things about a garmin to me is being able to keep track of how many actual miles a dog is putting on its legs in a night (or week). I start my dogs very young and don't want to put too much stress on a growing body. With that being said the garmin has been the down fall of many hunters. It's let them become lazy, and less attentive to what a dog is doing. In the right hands a great tool, in the wrong hands a handicap.

I have never been a person that just loves to hear a dog work. I don't get any satisfaction until after I shine a tree and see a coon, if the dog work the track fast, came on the tree right and treed to suit me. Even then I usally have something in the back of my head I would like to see cleaned up.

I need to know why for everything, give me facts ( then I will fact check you). If there are no facts I will take a theory and try to prove or disprove it.

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Re: Telling the story...

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Originally posted by Reuben

When the dog is treed...some look for the coon before deciding there is a coon in tree or if it is a slick tree...
others analyze the situation as they look for the coon...they take into consideration how the dog is acting while treeing, they understand how coon scent comes off the tree...some scent particles will rise in the wind, some will float and WAY MORE scent particles will drop to the ground if the coon is in the tree...they also take into account weather conditions and environment...
So if no coon is in the tree the scent coming off the tree will not be the same...dogs should know the difference...
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The way scent works according to the weather and landscape is fascinating to me. There are factors that most people would never consider. Once I came to understand the science behind it changed the way I analyze things.

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Reuben
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Dog whisper...excellent post and no doubt listening to your dog and understanding what his voice is saying is key...

River Birch Run...Iím the same way... I need to know why for everything...usually the facts donít give the details to fully understand...developing theories and filling in the blanks is fun...

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Re: Telling the story...

quote:
Originally posted by Reuben
Before the Garmin...Back in the older days dog men and women would visualize in their minds what the dogs were doing and some would tell the story as it played out...
Today, the Garmin tells the story with accuracy...for me it doesnít matter so much that we could have been wrong at times...being able to tell the story as it unfolds whether it be 100 percent right on with a few imperfections was a big part of the hunt for some of us...

Some see black or white, and true or false...others see it from a different angle and thatís what make the world go round...

Some see a Walker hound that is black, white and tan, weighing about 60 pounds and is built correctly...others see that and also a special air, demeanor and sophistication about the dog and puts his money on that dog...

When the dog is treed...some look for the coon before deciding there is a coon in tree or if it is a slick tree...
others analyze the situation as they look for the coon...they take into consideration how the dog is acting while treeing, they understand how coon scent comes off the tree...some scent particles will rise in the wind, some will float and WAY MORE scent particles will drop to the ground if the coon is in the tree...they also take into account weather conditions and environment...
So if no coon is in the tree the scent coming off the tree will not be the same...dogs should know the difference...

Some of this is true and some is theoretical...
Just wanting to see other dog folks thinking on this...



Oh amazing this makes sense. Thanks so much! Storytelling is a very important skill for me. Now I am studying at the university and in addition to my university education I am getting additional education and taking online courses. Among other things, I work and spend a lot of time developing my skills in web development, which will be useful to me in the future. Therefore, I have a problem with the distribution of time for all life projects. I found a way out in delegation and, for example, turned to the company https://edubirdie.com/take-my-online-class-for-me which provides specialists with experience in online classes in various subjects who attend online classes instead of me. It helps me save a little time.

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