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Question for competition hunters

Question for competition hunters , if you could give a crash course in competition hunting , on rules , strategy etc . What would be 5-10 things you would tell a youth hunter or a new hunter they needed to do to give their dog a chance to win ?

Will be interesting to see the answers ... thanks !

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1. Know the rules
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Know the rules
Know the rules
Know the rules
Learn to lose with dignity and without excuses
Learn to win with even more dignity

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Two things I tell every young person or novice competition hunter:

Know your dog and know the rules. If you have those two things figured out, you will be set.

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1. Study the rules.....u won't know them all....but u can study them.
2. Ask ?.... no ? asked is a dum ? .
3. Enter to learn ...not to win.
4. Don't get discouraged....u will encounter a " win at all " attitude .. stay away from those handlers.
5. U will reap what u sow.
6. Ur reputation will follow u where ever u go.....so leave a "Good" one.
7. Be honest.
8.Respect the game..../ fellow competitors , often times that's difficult .

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Know your dog and the rules

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Have a good concept for the rules.

Hers the only rule you need to go by.

Bring a hound that goes hunting good and doesnít pay attention to other dogs. Does not tree off game. Or back dogs treed wrong. It can run fast game and fall off under coon. Gets treed and stays and has them eyes. Call it for what it does and you will winway more than you loose I promise that. Find that you donít need to know the rules to win. Thatís the best advice I can give you. Worry about finding that then learn the rules.

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Good topic.

I absolutely hate it when a kid feels like they got cheated because they don't know the rules, or they don't know enough about dogs to realize that theirs wasn't the best in the cast.

I'd recommend learning rules (specifically what to do with tree points for showing up late, or on slick trees, or on off game). Most questions here make it pretty obvious that even "experienced" handlers mess up scoring trees.

Depending on the age of the youth, having an adult willing to walk along is important. Way too many dads send a kid with a cast so they can go hunt themselves, and that's a really big responsibility to put on other folks.

Maybe the most important thing to address with a youth hunter is not how to handle a loss, but how to handle another hunter that can't handle a loss. It's not as common as most people think, but sore losers and idiots happen. Having a youth prepared for that may be the most important thing they learn.

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Don't read all the crazy talk in the interwebs from people that are hardly if ever at a hunt and then go into a cast with a chip on your shoulder thinking you are going to get cheated. Just go learn, have fun, and let the chips fall where they may.

And yes......know the rules.

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Rome wasn't built in a day

Study the rules the best you can, but you'll learn some more rules as you go. Know your dogs voice real well, by himself and with a group of dogs. The more experience you get, the better you'll do.
Don't expect to win every cast.
Enjoy yourself and the time spent with other good people and their hounds. If you stick with it and enjoy yourself, you'll make some good friends for life. Trophy's, win slips, pictures taken, money and all that doesn't amount to much compared to the friends.
Let the dog be the winner or the looser (Not you), you'll have more fun that way. You'll make more friends that way too.

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Know the rules. Know your dog.Call your dog for what it's doing. Know the rules. Know the rules. Know the rules. Know the rules. Pay attention. Know the rules. Just because someone's friendly, dont mean they are your buddy, you chit chat before or after the hunt, during hunt time your not out there to make friends.

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Know the rules and before you enter a hunt go to a few local clubs and see if you can spectate on some casts so you'll know what it likes before you try your luck in one.

Then whenever you do enter one make sure you know your dog really good know about every move and every bark your dog makes and just stay ready and focused on your dog so you make the right calls.

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Great answers guys and yes I agree knowing the rules is huge , but to a new hunter the rule book can be pretty intimidating trying to figure it all out , what would be the 5-6 rules you would tell someone to definitely know ?

Granted this person knows their dog , knows how to strike and tree one , what would be the most important thing to know rules wise ?

This is where I am coming from with this , I train roping horses , and help teach people how to rope or train their horses or improve them .. and while their is a 1000 things that go into it , I can give a new person 5-6 different things that they must absolutely be able to do before they can compete . As said earlier Rome wasnt built in a day .. but one brick at A time ..

I think this is critical in growing this sport to where new people feel like they have a fighting chance .

One more question to throw at you and then I will be done

You take a great dog and new or average handler , and you take a average dog or maybe even a sorry dog , but a great handler , who wins ??

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1) know how your dog operates when hunted with dogs that are strange to him and make your calls accordingly.

2) have the dog prepared and fix the little things that can draw you minus. Example meeting you off the tree and recast.

3) Donít jump the gun and make a bad call and draw your dog minus he doesnít deserve.

4) call your dog with confidence and donít let another handler make you doubt your call.

5) try to learn the dogs you are hunting against. For example if they are loners then you donít have to worry about them covering and stealing a tree ahead of you. If they slick tree often donít get to eager to tree your dog if they tree ahead of you. Etc.

6) keep track of the scores and call your dog conservative if you are winning and more aggressive if you are behind.

7) be a good sport. Take your minus when you deserve it and find others coons when you can. Enjoy competing not just winning. Learn what you could have done differently and what you need to work on to make your dog better.

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Just reading the rules won't teach you how they are applied. Most people have to see how it is used in the field to really understand it. Being a spectator on as many cast as you can is the best way to learn the rules, and how other handlers will try to twist them. When your a spectator you don't have to worry about calling or handling your dog. It allows you to really focus on the rules.
1) Study the rules
2) Spectate
3) Know your dogs every bark
4) Start with a sound dog. (one that stays treed all night, holds pressure).
5) Learn from your mistakes as well as others.

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Spectating has it's good and bad, know them rules before you spectate. I cant tell you how many guys have came and we hunt with the scorecard and have them ready for a hunt. The rules are just as good as the guys you spectate.lol Just like hunting a pup with a old dog, they'll learn the wrong stuff first. And who is gonna win between good and new or average and whatever there hunting, goes in favor of experienced handler in my opinion.

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Know your dog.
Know the rules.
Stand up for yourself when you are being wronged.

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quote:
Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
Don't read all the crazy talk in the interwebs from people that are hardly if ever at a hunt and then go into a cast with a chip on your shoulder thinking you are going to get cheated. Just go learn, have fun, and let the chips fall where they may.

And yes......know the rules.



This too. Some people will try to tell you to be prepared to be cheated in every cast. Ive been in hundreds of cast and have lost more times then Ive won but the vast majority of the time Ive lost its been mine or my dogs fault not because I got the shaft.

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Be honest. Mistakes happen, but admit to them. I feel it has always been more important to be honest about your dog and let the dog speak for himself.

As far as handler/dog relationship. Know and learn your dog.

As far as rules. Reading them is important but nothing replaces experience and if you see right and wrong while your learning. Repeat the right and just shake your head at the wrong.

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There has been a lot of sound advice put on here. Learn how to apply the rules is just as important as knowing the rules. So experience is necessary. Like Bruce said be honest to yourself about your dog as well as the cast members. Way to many handlers just can't except there mistakes or there dogs mistakes therefore would rather claim to have been cheated.

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There has been a lot of sound advice put on here. Learn how to apply the rules is just as important as knowing the rules. So experience is necessary.

Trial by fire is how most gain an understanding of the rules and how to apply them. Read the rules them and have a basic understanding of them before you enter up. Mock hunts with buddies can help before you pay that entry fee. Check to see if any of the clubs in your area have club hunts (non-sanctioned) if so join that club and attend. When you do go to a hunt go to have some fun with people who share the love of the sport like you do and a little friendly competition. Leave the chip off your shoulder. Practice sportsmanship win or lose. Sometimes the dogs beat you, sometimes the handler beats you, sometimes handlers beat themselves and some you will win. Think of you and your dog as a team. Know your dog and it's tenancies. Learn it's mouth for each thing it does. Good handlers eventually learn strategy just like the best coaches do. They are always thinking out every conceivable turn of events and know the scores at all times. They know when to sit back and wait to call their dog and know when they need to be on go. Everyone makes mistakes and novices make more than the experienced be prepared to get lots of $$ lessons think of each as a learning experience. With a good team, a dog that trees coons and a man that knows the dog you will pull out some wins. Don't be afraid to jump in the water is fine!

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1 Read the rules
2 And read the rules for what they say and not what you want them to say
3 Call your dog for what it does( strike it when it strikes and tree when it trees.)
4 Don't think you got cheated because you didn't win. After the hunt read the rules again and see if you have a better understanding of how they're applied.

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One of the biggest things is to have your dog ready and hunted up!! During the week is the time to get them ready to go on the weekend. A wise old guy told me this, " Hunts are won during the week, not on the weekends." You will have a much better chance of doing well if the dog is in the right mode!!

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One of the biggest things is to have your dog ready and hunted up!! During the week is the time to get them ready to go on the weekend. A wise old guy told me this, " Hunts are won during the week, not on the weekends." You will have a much better chance of doing well if the dog is in the right mode!!

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Like a couple have said:
1. learn the rules
2. be respectful
3. always help find someone else coon for them.
4. know your dog it's every bark
5. Like Redneck mafia said do some mock hunts in what ever reg. you want to hunt in.
6. if you have a question ask most guys will help you out.
7. always be respectful

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