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Hoosier Outlaw
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quote:
Originally posted by David Richardson
James 3:5-8

Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things. See how great a forest a little fire kindles! And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell. For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind. But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

I think your post hits that nail right on the head...

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Richard Lambert
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Oh my goodness, I did go over and look at that thread. That Neon Dave guy knows what I am talking about. I like that guy. To paraphrase he said, I'll train my dogs my way and you train your dogs your way. Mine (Neon's) will turn out better. If you don't believe me we'll just see who wins the most. Now whether you believe that Shane's way or Dave's way is the best, who is the winner here? The Redbone breed/Team because Neon Dave and Outlaw Shane are both going to try harder to breed/train the best dog. I, for one, am glad that they haven't decided to "just get along".
Since someone referenced the Bible, just look at David and Goliath. When the big, bad Giant came by did David try to get along? Did he just step out of the way? How did that turn out? What about the Christians and the Infidels? Did they decide to just get along? No, the Christians sent their Knights down to Infidel Days to kick some butt.

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okreddog56
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THE TEAM I AM ON IS THE REDBONE TEAM,I WILL HUNT OR BREED TO ANY BLOODLINE THAT HUNTS THE WAY I WANT A DOG TO HUNT,I DON'T GO BY WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SAYS,I GO BY WHAT I SEE.PED'S DO NOT MEAN A LOT TO ME,I GO BY WHAT I SEE IN DOGS,HUNT,SPEED,NOSE,DRIVE,INDEPENDENCE,MOUTH,TREE
POWER,AND THE ABILITY TO TAKE HARD HUNTING IN TOUGH CONDITIONS.

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quote:
Originally posted by okreddog56
THE TEAM I AM ON IS THE REDBONE TEAM,I WILL HUNT OR BREED TO ANY BLOODLINE THAT HUNTS THE WAY I WANT A DOG TO HUNT,I DON'T GO BY WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SAYS,I GO BY WHAT I SEE.PED'S DO NOT MEAN A LOT TO ME,I GO BY WHAT I SEE IN DOGS,HUNT,SPEED,NOSE,DRIVE,INDEPENDENCE,MOUTH,TREE
POWER,AND THE ABILITY TO TAKE HARD HUNTING IN TOUGH CONDITIONS.

So, are you saying that you don't think that Rusty is the best Stud dog out there. And you are going to start hunting/training pups out of another Sire? I have a young pup out of Boone that I need someone to train for me.

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Richard Lambert
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Uh oh, I saw where that Gingrich guy was reading our posts. Y'all had better tighten up. I think that I will go back and edit some of mine. Y'all know how he wants everyone to "just get along". I know that it says in the rule book that a handler can be scratched for..."being bad to stir up trouble". I hope that he doesn't ban me...again....

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Hoosier Outlaw
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness, I did go over and look at that thread. That Neon Dave guy knows what I am talking about. I like that guy. To paraphrase he said, I'll train my dogs my way and you train your dogs your way. Mine (Neon's) will turn out better. If you don't believe me we'll just see who wins the most. Now whether you believe that Shane's way or Dave's way is the best, who is the winner here? The Redbone breed/Team because Neon Dave and Outlaw Shane are both going to try harder to breed/train the best dog. I, for one, am glad that they haven't decided to "just get along".
Since someone referenced the Bible, just look at David and Goliath. When the big, bad Giant came by did David try to get along? Did he just step out of the way? How did that turn out? What about the Christians and the Infidels? Did they decide to just get along? No, the Christians sent their Knights down to Infidel Days to kick some butt.

Im not in a competition with that guy because I dont train dogs for money for other people. But since you quoted him on here about seeing whos dogs win the most...why wait to see...look back over the years and add em up.
In his last post he said he has been booked up for years so there is a long record on both sides....if you want to keep score on dogs that have won...or will win the most...pull out your calculator and get to it and let me know what you come up with

Our differences are mainly over the best way to start pups. I dont do it for money...i do it to better the breed...and I feel pretty comfortable standing on my record...and my motives.
I'll just add that I am not competing with anyone hunting redbones...unless you draw me in a cast...and then you are just like the rest...but to me the real competition...the ones who set the bar and the ones I am trying to produce better than...is black and white...
They are the long game here...not redbone people. They dont care what color the competition is...so why should we?
This thread almost tries to say fighting within the breed is good for it...but Im not sure it is. Competition is good though...so why dont we concentrate on that

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jkhutch
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How about that Guy at fair shake starting pen in Southern Ill? I have sent a few down to him. He has done me really well in the past. His thirty day program has worked for me. Everyone has there own ways.

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A.Berresford
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I'm going to start a training facility also. It will be a 30 day program that takes 45-60 days as I am very confused now after reading the natural thread and the traits thread.

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Hoosier Outlaw
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quote:
Originally posted by A.Berresford
I'm going to start a training facility also. It will be a 30 day program that takes 45-60 days as I am very confused now after reading the natural thread and the traits thread.

Its like politics....believe nothing you hear ...but instead look at the record....and trail of results.

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okreddog56
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RICHARD I HAVE DAUGHTERS OUT OF RUSTY THAT I HAVE TO BREED TO SOMETHING OTHER THAN THERE DADDY OR THERE 3/4 BROTHER COOTER,I BRED DAZY TO CROW BECAUSE I KNOW HIM,TAKE ME HUNTING WITH BOONE SOMETIME AND I MIGHT BREED TO HIM,AS FAR AS TRAINING I HAVE MORE YOUNG DOGS THAN I CAN KEEP HUNTED.

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Adam Wingler
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quote:
Originally posted by A.Berresford
I'm going to start a training facility also. It will be a 30 day program that takes 45-60 days as I am very confused now after reading the natural thread and the traits thread.

I threw a live coon in a dog kennel once, does that count? If so, send me your natural and $400 and you'll get your picture on the cover before Christmas.

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Richard Lambert
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Leonard, didn't you breed Cooter's mother back to her daddy? Are you now saying that Rusty is the best stud out there but you don't want to breed any more of his daughters back to him? So, you will only breed a female to another stud if you can't breed her to Rusty. That sounds a lot like you are bragging that Rusty has the most hunt, speed nose, blah blah blah of any Redbone out there. Is this true?

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Richard Lambert
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quote:
Originally posted by Adam Wingler
....send me your natural and $400 and you'll get your picture on the cover before Christmas....

Adam, are you saying that you are the best pup starter/trainer that there is.

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Richard Lambert
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If you have the best competition Redbone or the best Redbone Stud or you are the best handler or you are the best pup trainer, then why not tell everyone about that? I mean, it isn't "bragging" if you are simply stating facts.

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Richard Lambert
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Danny Barret, I have looked all over the Redbone Stud Dog Forum but I can't find the Thread on Gus, "The Wonder Dog"? And I looked on this Redbone Forum and I can't find the post "Recognizing A Good One" with Gus's picture and a story about his big win at SRD's. I saw it on the Home Page but UKC put that on there. So where is this "just getting along" going to get you? No one will even know who Gus is. Maybe you had better teach Rex how to use this interweb. He doesn't have any problem letting everyone know what he thinks.

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JShelton
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I wish I had a team

I don't even know how to get on a team. I have given people around here dogs in hopes they would hunt them and I would have a team and we could take off winning hunts and takin pictures of our dogs every time we went hunting. That didnt work. I have had shane help me get pups and he helped me get my female bred to woody once too. I got no invite to be on his team. Richard I even extended an invute to you to come over go huntin and put you up for the night. I thought we had a good time. What even bought McDonald's for supper and had a good breakfast the next morning. And no invite to be in the cartel. Its hard to make friends these days.

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Richard Lambert
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Jerry, some of these teams are pretty tough. I don't know if you know what you would be getting into with the Cartel. We might look like a team on the outside but it is "every man for himself" when it gets right down to it. Maybe you should go back and read some of those posts on the Cartel thread. Even our "fearless leader" is not safe. You have to be a "hanger on" or "Probie" for a couple of years before we can "patch you in". But there might be an opening pretty soon. I heard that Linkous was on his way out. Why don't you just start your own team of one. Get that 3 legged dog going good and Shane and Wendall will let you on "their team". I don't know if they have a name for it yet.

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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Adam, are you saying that you are the best pup starter/trainer that there is.

Pay close attention, I said NATURAL, so if you send me a natural, then yes, that's EXACTLY what I'm saying.

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Originally posted by Hoosier Outlaw
Its like politics....believe nothing you hear ...but instead look at the record....and trail of results.

Shane, I have been looking for this "record" but I can't find it. Is it like one of those lists? Could you post the pups that you have started/trained and went on to be big winners, "for the record". And maybe then that Neon guy will post the ones that he has started that went on to become big winners. We need to get this settled once and for all. I would love to see the "facts" as you like to say.

(As I have said before, sometimes y'all seem to be just begging for it. And as Mr Richardson quoted, "no man can tame the tongue, it is an unruly evil")

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Hoosier Outlaw
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Adam, are you saying that you are the best pup starter/trainer that there is.

careful now...you could make a puppy mad using words like that.....

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Richard Lambert
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Originally posted by Hoosier Outlaw
careful now...you could make a puppy mad using words like that.....

Duhh....What do you think that I am trying to do?

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Hoosier Outlaw
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Jerry, some of these teams are pretty tough. I don't know if you know what you would be getting into with the Cartel. We might look like a team on the outside but it is "every man for himself" when it gets right down to it. Maybe you should go back and read some of those posts on the Cartel thread. Even our "fearless leader" is not safe. You have to be a "hanger on" or "Probie" for a couple of years before we can "patch you in". But there might be an opening pretty soon. I heard that Linkous was on his way out. Why don't you just start your own team of one. Get that 3 legged dog going good and Shane and Wendall will let you on "their team". I don't know if they have a name for it yet.

Jerry, I checked the roster and your already on our team....we are just waiting for you to start winning so we can patch you in!

It takes time for those young dogs to develop into winners....I got a feeling your time is coming soon buddy.

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Hoosier Outlaw
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Duhh....What do you think that I am trying to do?

I have to give it to you...you are an equal opportunity instigator....lol

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okreddog56
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RICHARD RUSTY PRUDUCE'S THE BEST DOGS FOR ME TO HUNT IN THIS COUNTRY I HUNT IN,I HAVE BROUGHT A LOT OF PUPS AND DOGS IN HERE FROM SOME THE TOP STUD DOGS IN THE COUNTRY AND THEY DON'T STACK UP TO THE DOGS OUT OF RUSTY IN THIS COUNTRY,I WILL MAKE A DEAL WITH YOU,BRING BOONE OUT TO STIGLER,OK. AT THE 2 NIGHT REDBONE SECTIONAL,THERE SHOULD ONLY BE 1 GRNITE CAST,AND I WILL HUNT A GRNITE FEMALE OUT OF RUSTY AGAINST HIM,IF BOONE WINS I WILL BRED HER TO BOONE,IF SHE WINS YOU BREED YOUR BEST FEMALE TO RUSTY,HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE.

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Hoosier Outlaw
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Shane, I have been looking for this "record" but I can't find it. Is it like one of those lists? Could you post the pups that you have started/trained and went on to be big winners, "for the record". And maybe then that Neon guy will post the ones that he has started that went on to become big winners. We need to get this settled once and for all. I would love to see the "facts" as you like to say.

(As I have said before, sometimes y'all seem to be just begging for it. And as Mr Richardson quoted, "no man can tame the tongue, it is an unruly evil")

sure...but that will take some time....can I include all the walkers from my pre redbone days as well...i mean since that other guy posts more pics of non redbones than he does redbones....
And are you sure this will settle it once and for all...I have doubts....

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