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We see post on here about reproducing males and females. We must have them to get good pups,but it takes a dog man to bring the cream to the top.

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Who is the best trainer/hunter you know of that can take most any pup and get it to perform?

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Bobby Burden the best ive ever seen and has taught me more than he realizes. Its like he can read a dogs mind and tell what the dogs next move is before his problem comes to show. every action causes a reaction and he knows what that dogs reaction will be

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Here is another question to discuss..... Does the trainer make the pup or does the pup make the trainer?

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The dogs that need to be bred are the Naturals.

A dog that you expose to coon, than turn loose until it either makes it or it dont.

That being said, pup trainers are good pup trainers because they are patient. Even a pup that has a lot of natural talent takes a lot a fortitude. Seems like if I like a pup early I give it every chance in the world, but if a pup gets on my nerves as a baby I am not nearly as patient with it.

Randy Steadman and Robert Williams are two of the best

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I think it is and must be a two way product, the Trainee must be trainable, and the trainer must have knowledge about what he's doing enough to know what has to be taught, the trainer must be Honest about his expectations and he must know what those expectations are . Both must have Desire and without it you will never do anything positive !

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Thirs more to it than just starting a pup. I feel like anyone can start a pup. Its the finishing that makes a trainer. Ive seen lots of pups that would get so screwed up with guys that dont have a clue. most pups hit a stage were they start to go backwards thats were the trainer comes into fect. I do believe a real trainer can train a cat to tree coons!! Even though the cat might not do it in style it will still get it done!!

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This is just my opinion after 50 years and a lot of good times and bad with these wonderful hounds. I don't train a dog, I'm their coach. An animal trainer uses a whip and chair to train them to do something they were not bred for. A houndsman uses common sense to bring a dog along to the point where he no longer needs coaching but simply hunted hard and his genes will exeed your ability to coach. When he makes the big league you can sit back and enjoy the ride. Good breeding is half the battle though. Good luck young fella and stick with it.

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Thirs more to it than just starting a pup. I feel like anyone can start a pup. Its the finishing that makes a trainer. Ive seen lots of pups that would get so screwed up with guys that dont have a clue. most pups hit a stage were they start to go backwards thats were the trainer comes into fect. I do believe a real trainer can train a cat to tree coons!! Even though the cat might not do it in style it will still get it done!!

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I have one thats needs the best trainer I can afford. Cause by gosh I cant get it done. I need him trained to stay hooked period. I need him trained to not run bears, deer, bobcat, possums. Who wants to show me their skills?

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He is right about a pup getting into a slump and figuring out what to do to get it wired out , a lot of patients that's for sure , and I believe most of the one I have trained from a pup goes through this slump and u learn some from other exsperiences from others u trained , but patients is the most important step ....

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There is one other part of the equation that is getting overlooked...trainer or dog, both must have the place with coons to do it. When I was younger I lived in a neighborhood and only had public hunting areas to train and hunt my dogs. Now I have my own private hunting areas that I own. A lot gets done to keep plenty of coons around and me and the dogs can go out and work anytime I want, as much as I want. That has made things a lot easier and more productive than the way things were. If I had to go back and do it the old way I'd quit.

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Thirs more to it than just starting a pup. I feel like anyone can start a pup. Its the finishing that makes a trainer. Ive seen lots of pups that would get so screwed up with guys that dont have a clue. most pups hit a stage were they start to go backwards thats were the trainer comes into fect. I do believe a real trainer can train a cat to tree coons!! Even though the cat might not do it in style it will still get it done!!

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Everyone who has trained one outta know about this slump. I've had one dog that didn't have this problem. But I hunted this dog once a week maybe twice till he was 3. Not saying he wouldn't have a bad nt. Just never found that slump. I've found its better to leave the youngster in the pen on bad nts when u know your old dog would have trouble treeing a coon. Certain times of the year here in Missouri Jan Feb March it better be dark and warm before I'm taking out a good started pup. I messed up the first 2 dogs I owned hunting the hair off them. They listened good but would start to stand on there head. It took a long time to get the one back on track and sold the other one. Both were automatic at a young age. Went to a big pkc hunt one time had a guy tell me that he had hunted his dog eighteen nts in a row. I thought to myself I hope I draw him cause he's bound to take a nt off. The next time I seen that guy he said his dog was messing up bad. For instance in my line of work the most work gets done before 10 in the morn. After that u can't wait to relax. Happy turkey day

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So let me get this straight. If I have a pup that can run and tree an easy coon [hot track] starting out and then as it get older and hunted more and starts working these older more rougher tracks and starts missing [slick treeing ] it's trainers fault? Can you tell me how that it's trainers fault that pup can't figure it out? Ive always herd that if you expose it to coons if it's in him it will come out naturally!!!!

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Who is the best trainer/hunter you know of that can take most any pup and get it to perform? [/B][/QUOTE]

I don't know a single person that is a good trainer from pup to finished dog. I do know a pretty good team one guy starts the pups and once he gets them treeing pretty regular his kennel buddy takes them and finishes them out.

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Starting/training a pup in those thick easy coons with good tracks is sure a lot easier. But where is the "fun" in that? Starting and training one in thin coons and old cold feeder tracks is a challenge and a lot more "fun". And when you are through, you know that you have a coonhound. They have to work through their mistakes to learn. Last night was a perfect night to work on a young hound....cold clear bright as day moonlit night. How many took their young dog out and how many left him/her home because "it was too tough for a young dog"?

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Last night wasnt cold here. It was a good night minus the moon. I hauled two one yr olds who have treed several coons alone and treed 2 and caught one on the ground. Its late december through febuary when i start leaveing mine at the house. Or when it gets 20 degrees or colder

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Question for all you guys that go through this.

1. Don't we all take the first few steps with our pups about the same way. From there it gets complicated.
Don't we all depending on our conditions, time of year and coon population expose a pup to either a dead coon, a coon tail, a hot coon track or a coon in a cage. Some a hot dog or two.
Now these pups depending on the owner are different ages and have different levels of obedience training already give to them. Some none at all and some a lot.
Up until we expose that dog to some type of training involving a coon we don't have a clue what we are dealing with. Kind of like you having a gun but from the outside you don't know if its a 22 or high powered rifle. If it shoots straight or could hit someone standing beside you.
Once you expose the dog to a coon and once you shoot and identify what type of gun you have. You can then figure out how to handle it. What you can and cannot do with it.
Every pup is different and I would say the most important thing in training is reading the dog you have and understand just what it needs or doesn't need to develop. How fast to you bring it along and how hard do you hunt it? The dog will tell you if you look deep into its soul.
Say your the best dog trainer in the world. Today you write down exactly how you trained your world champion. Ten years from now you drag out your instructions and try them on another young dog. They don't work unless you make modifications to fit the situation. The dogs genetics have changed, your age and how you carry yourself has changed. Your hunting ground has changed. Sometimes for the better but most times for the worse.
Some guys are better at it than others, some are better in business at a higher level than others while some are better workers than the ones running the business.
You have to develop skills and in business and in life the most important thing is listening. That is true in dog training, listen to what your dog is telling you about what it needs to become a coonhound. Some just opportunity while some a boot in the behind. If you have time to give them opportunity and you wear boots and not afraid to use them your headed in the right direction. Just remember to listen a little along the way.

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So let me get this straight. If I have a pup that can run and tree an easy coon [hot track] starting out and then as it get older and hunted more and starts working these older more rougher tracks and starts missing [slick treeing ] it's trainers fault? Can you tell me how that it's trainers fault that pup can't figure it out? Ive always herd that if you expose it to coons if it's in him it will come out naturally!!!!

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Mr Conkey, very well said. But you might add that the really good trainers modify their style/techniques to fit the pup and the others just keep going through pups until they find one that fits their technigue/style of training.
And you are right that the same applies to business/employers and also to athletic coaches.

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Question for all you guys that go through this.

1. Don't we all take the first few steps with our pups about the same way. From there it gets complicated.
Don't we all depending on our conditions, time of year and coon population expose a pup to either a dead coon, a coon tail, a hot coon track or a coon in a cage. Some a hot dog or two.
Now these pups depending on the owner are different ages and have different levels of obedience training already give to them. Some none at all and some a lot.
Up until we expose that dog to some type of training involving a coon we don't have a clue what we are dealing with. Kind of like you having a gun but from the outside you don't know if its a 22 or high powered rifle. If it shoots straight or could hit someone standing beside you.
Once you expose the dog to a coon and once you shoot and identify what type of gun you have. You can then figure out how to handle it. What you can and cannot do with it.
Every pup is different and I would say the most important thing in training is reading the dog you have and understand just what it needs or doesn't need to develop. How fast to you bring it along and how hard do you hunt it? The dog will tell you if you look deep into its soul.
Say your the best dog trainer in the world. Today you write down exactly how you trained your world champion. Ten years from now you drag out your instructions and try them on another young dog. They don't work unless you make modifications to fit the situation. The dogs genetics have changed, your age and how you carry yourself has changed. Your hunting ground has changed. Sometimes for the better but most times for the worse.
Some guys are better at it than others, some are better in business at a higher level than others while some are better workers than the ones running the business.
You have to develop skills and in business and in life the most important thing is listening. That is true in dog training, listen to what your dog is telling you about what it needs to become a coonhound. Some just opportunity while some a boot in the behind. If you have time to give them opportunity and you wear boots and not afraid to use them your headed in the right direction. Just remember to listen a little along the way.

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That Conkey guy sure has a way with words doesn't he?

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