Registered: Apr 2015
Location: church hill tn
Posts: 5637

I agree 100 percent with your post, you can not tree coons on A leash and your dog should be trained not to go back to trees. There is no substitute for proper training if you want to WIN HUNTS. Folks should be pleased they don't have to lead their dog to other dogs trees, especially if you have a coon treeing dog. Dave

__________________
Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790

Well I guess it’s old doggie thinking. During hide season I wanted my dog under every coon in the woods it made the paycheck bigger. So if you got a meat dog your hunting in the hunts wouldn’t it make the paycheck bigger ? But he has to be off the leash every minute possible to win.



Tar

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Apr 2015
Location: church hill tn
Posts: 5637

ACCURACY means something to folks like you and I, we want a dog that trees coons not trees. If I never shoot another coon out, I still want to see the coon every time my dog trees. Its not about hide hunting, it's about knowing you have a coon dog, seeing the coon is every thing, it validates what the dog has done. Dave

__________________
Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Nov 2011
Location: north ala.
Posts: 902

quote:

---

Originally posted by Dave Richards
ACCURACY means something to folks like you and I, we want a dog that trees coons not trees. If I never shoot another coon out, I still want to see the coon every time my dog trees. Its not about hide hunting, it's about knowing you have a coon dog, seeing the coon is every thing, it validates what the dog has done. Dave

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Dec 2013
Location: Nichols Ny
Posts: 1565

quote:

---

Originally posted by Dave Richards
ACCURACY means something to folks like you and I, we want a dog that trees coons not trees. If I never shoot another coon out, I still want to see the coon every time my dog trees. Its not about hide hunting, it's about knowing you have a coon dog, seeing the coon is every thing, it validates what the dog has done. Dave

---

__________________
Eric DePue
Hill Country Kennels Itty-Bitty
PKC CH Wax's Late Night Boom
And
Partners on a few common trashy young dogs

Gone but not forgotten

GrNtCh, PKC Ch Hillbilly Bildo
Pr Broken Oaks Wild Blue Gypsy

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Apr 2015
Location: church hill tn
Posts: 5637

That makes 2 of us, these mountains are steep, very steep and I will not hunt a dog that's not real accurate. Despite what some folks say, there are ACCURATE dogs and I do not settle for less. It better be a legitimate den or I better see s coon. Dave

__________________
Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Dec 2013
Location: Nichols Ny
Posts: 1565

So with there not being a set time or set distance to recut.........
Is this all handler discretion? I know Chey and Tar know the answer, but if like Allen's official ruling on it.

__________________
Eric DePue
Hill Country Kennels Itty-Bitty
PKC CH Wax's Late Night Boom
And
Partners on a few common trashy young dogs

Gone but not forgotten

GrNtCh, PKC Ch Hillbilly Bildo
Pr Broken Oaks Wild Blue Gypsy

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790

But I am not going to let you try and be comfortable at 400 yards. At about 80 yards I am going to ask you are you going to cut or stay on the leash ?


Tar

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: May 2020
Location: Chattanooga Tn
Posts: 70

quote:

---

Originally posted by yadkintar
But I am not going to let you try and be comfortable at 400 yards. At about 80 yards I am going to ask you are you going to cut or stay on the leash ?


Tar

---

And I'm going to tell you when I'm comfortable

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Dec 2013
Location: Nichols Ny
Posts: 1565

quote:

---

Originally posted by yadkintar
But I am not going to let you try and be comfortable at 400 yards. At about 80 yards I am going to ask you are you going to cut or stay on the leash ?


Tar

---

__________________
Eric DePue
Hill Country Kennels Itty-Bitty
PKC CH Wax's Late Night Boom
And
Partners on a few common trashy young dogs

Gone but not forgotten

GrNtCh, PKC Ch Hillbilly Bildo
Pr Broken Oaks Wild Blue Gypsy

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2006
Location:
Posts: 417

The entire cast is time based and ukc should have a time either 30 seconds or a minute this just causes confusion

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2011
Location: Canton, Ohio
Posts: 2588

I am comfortable at 5 yards, most are not. There should be a maximum time, or yardage. Sometimes 30 seconds in a tangle will get you 25 ft... Should be Judges call. As long as it is a fair call.

__________________
Lethal Blue kennels.
Where the females count and you will never see a "brood" female!
Dan and Kris Rosier
Canton, ohio
330-904-3392


Home of:
Gr Ch. Nite Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Moonlight Serenade... Gr. Ch. Nite Ch PR Hillbillys Smokey River Dutch HTX X Gr. Ch. Nite CH. PR Lethal Blue Izabell Sitara
Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Lil Bit of Respect.... Ch. Nite Ch PR Shivers' Magic Lead X GR. Ch. Nite Ch PR Lethal Blue Betty Jane
PR. Lethal Blue Tayen Grace..... Nite Ch. Pr Coffins creek running J.R. X Gr Ch Nite Ch PR Lethal Blue Moonlite Serenade.



Gone but never forgotten
Gr. Ch. Nite Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Izabell Sitara... Dual Gr. Ch PR Bowens Blue Deuce X Ch. Nite Ch. PR Becky.

Gr Ch Nite Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Betty Jane...... PR. Crites Soggy Bottom Blue Banjo X PR. Mosquito Creek Tree mamma Sis

Gr Ch. Nite Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Rattlin Samantha ... Dual Gr Ch PR Mid Ohio Rattlin Sam X Gr Ch PR. Lethal Blue Jet's Xena

Gr. Ch. Nite Ch Hillbilly's Smokey River Blue Dutch HTX..... Gr. Ch. Gr. Nite Ch Pr. Smokey River Tramp's Blue Lake and Pr. Misty River Blue Doll III.
(Dutch wasn't ours, but he was here and like one of the family)

Pr. Dan's little Porter.... my last beagle...

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790

quote:

---

Originally posted by harleydan1956
I am comfortable at 5 yards, most are not. There should be a maximum time, or yardage. Sometimes 30 seconds in a tangle will get you 25 ft... Should be Judges call. As long as it is a fair call.

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Dec 2013
Location: Nichols Ny
Posts: 1565

Yeah but if there isn't a set time or distance how can you tell a cast member they have to cut? Otherwise they can lead the dog for as long as they'd like too and no one can force them to cut loose.

__________________
Eric DePue
Hill Country Kennels Itty-Bitty
PKC CH Wax's Late Night Boom
And
Partners on a few common trashy young dogs

Gone but not forgotten

GrNtCh, PKC Ch Hillbilly Bildo
Pr Broken Oaks Wild Blue Gypsy

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790

quote:

---

Originally posted by novicane65
Yeah but if there isn't a set time or distance how can you tell a cast member they have to cut? Otherwise they can lead the dog for as long as they'd like too and no one can force them to cut loose.

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2011
Location: Canton, Ohio
Posts: 2588

quote:

---

Originally posted by yadkintar
About 80 or a 100 yards no matter how long it takes to walk it then I am going to ask you if your going to cut or not then it’s your choice at that point yes or no.


Tar

---

__________________
Lethal Blue kennels.
Where the females count and you will never see a "brood" female!
Dan and Kris Rosier
Canton, ohio
330-904-3392


Home of:
Gr Ch. Nite Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Moonlight Serenade... Gr. Ch. Nite Ch PR Hillbillys Smokey River Dutch HTX X Gr. Ch. Nite CH. PR Lethal Blue Izabell Sitara
Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Lil Bit of Respect.... Ch. Nite Ch PR Shivers' Magic Lead X GR. Ch. Nite Ch PR Lethal Blue Betty Jane
PR. Lethal Blue Tayen Grace..... Nite Ch. Pr Coffins creek running J.R. X Gr Ch Nite Ch PR Lethal Blue Moonlite Serenade.



Gone but never forgotten
Gr. Ch. Nite Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Izabell Sitara... Dual Gr. Ch PR Bowens Blue Deuce X Ch. Nite Ch. PR Becky.

Gr Ch Nite Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Betty Jane...... PR. Crites Soggy Bottom Blue Banjo X PR. Mosquito Creek Tree mamma Sis

Gr Ch. Nite Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Rattlin Samantha ... Dual Gr Ch PR Mid Ohio Rattlin Sam X Gr Ch PR. Lethal Blue Jet's Xena

Gr. Ch. Nite Ch Hillbilly's Smokey River Blue Dutch HTX..... Gr. Ch. Gr. Nite Ch Pr. Smokey River Tramp's Blue Lake and Pr. Misty River Blue Doll III.
(Dutch wasn't ours, but he was here and like one of the family)

Pr. Dan's little Porter.... my last beagle...

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Jackson, MO
Posts: 778

Another point I have seen come up is all dogs are split treed and their 3 minutes of time is up. Went in and scored the first tree. The handler wanted to walk the opposite direction of the next dog we had to score to recut his. It was my opinion that you walk directly to the second tree. To head the opposite direction to recut his was allowing someone to withold the cast from going to a tree when the time was up on the tree. Does the handler of the first dog scored get to pull the cast in the opposite direction they need to go so he can recut the direction he wants or does he have to recut on the way to the second tree?

__________________
Travis Brown
brownt@capetigers.com
573-579-3853
Home of :
Gr. Nt. Ch. Browns Peggy 4/91-1/02
Gr. Nt. Ch. Browns Little Peg 6/98-3/08
Gr. Nt. Ch. Browns Haley 8/02-11/13
Gr. Nt. Ch. Browns Taylor 3/05-11/17
Gr. Nt. Ch. Browns Rotten 10/08-2/13
Gr. Nt. Ch. Browns Midge 12/10-1/21
Gr. Nt. Ch. Browns Jessie 4/14-
Gr. Nt. Ch. Browns Lilly 5/19-

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790

quote:

---

Originally posted by Travis Brown
Another point I have seen come up is all dogs are split treed and their 3 minutes of time is up. Went in and scored the first tree. The handler wanted to walk the opposite direction of the next dog we had to score to recut his. It was my opinion that you walk directly to the second tree. To head the opposite direction to recut his was allowing someone to withold the cast from going to a tree when the time was up on the tree. Does the handler of the first dog scored get to pull the cast in the opposite direction they need to go so he can recut the direction he wants or does he have to recut on the way to the second tree?

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Dec 2013
Location: Nichols Ny
Posts: 1565

So what's your call on this Allen? How far could or can a handler walk his dog on the leash once he says he wants to re-cut?

__________________
Eric DePue
Hill Country Kennels Itty-Bitty
PKC CH Wax's Late Night Boom
And
Partners on a few common trashy young dogs

Gone but not forgotten

GrNtCh, PKC Ch Hillbilly Bildo
Pr Broken Oaks Wild Blue Gypsy

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790

quote:

---

Originally posted by novicane65
So what's your call on this Allen? How far could or can a handler walk his dog on the leash once he says he wants to re-cut?

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Aug 2004
Location: Chattanooga, Tn
Posts: 22462

Oh my goodness, "you" might be a little more lenient? It is up to the handler when he is comfortable cutting his dog loose. I just realized why you don't travel off to hunts. They don't let you judge when you are not at home.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790

quote:

---

Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness, "you" might be a little more lenient? It is up to the handler when he is comfortable cutting his dog loose. I just realized why you don't travel off to hunts. They don't let you judge when you are not at home.

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jul 2015
Location: mo
Posts: 749

quote:

---

Originally posted by trevorwade09
Putting a set time of 30 seconds or 1 minute was up for vote at the rules discussion last year at Autumn Oaks. It did not pass. I can tell you that a lot of the discussion referenced the freedom to walk a little more or less depending on your surroundings and of course taking the other dogs in the cast into consideration.

UKC's position on this is to leave it up to the appointed judge to make sure that handlers don't walk any more or less than is deemed necessary. No competent, respectable judge would let you walk that far without cutting loose.

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790

quote:

---

Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness, "you" might be a little more lenient? It is up to the handler when he is comfortable cutting his dog loose. I just realized why you don't travel off to hunts. They don't let you judge when you are not at home.

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Aug 2004
Location: Chattanooga, Tn
Posts: 22462

I will abide by the rule, until they are comfortable recutting their dog. I don't really care how long that they want to keep their dog on the leash. I mean, it is their dog. I try to worry about my own dog.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged