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Has UKC given the thought of having Specific HTX hunts? There are many hunters out there that I believe would compete in competition hunts if they knew they would be competing against honest coonhounds. Poor breeding practices have created silent mouth, agressive, slick treeing dogs that have no mouth. I think HTX only hunts would allow the hunters with true honest coonhounds to compete in a State and World Hunt and shocase a true coondog.

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Absolutely!!! Great idea and I’d be one to enter for sure !!

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Wouldn't you still end up with aggressive hounds in these hunts. Aren't the HTX hunts alone so you wouldn't know till put the dog with another one. Lost a hunt last week to one that would run a dog off a tree but he could tree his own coon so he won. That is how it normally goes, the touchy dogs always have the meat.

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Honest hounds? Where you gonna find a full hunt full of honest handlers?

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all handlers are honest..if you don't believe it just ask one.where would you find three other handlers that would stand up and say one was dishonest?

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I know several that would say someone cheats, and they probably do or have as well. The meaning of my statement was that as long as people are involved, your not gonna have true anything, someone always...... It up.

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Originally posted by W.O. Outlaw
Has UKC given the thought of having Specific HTX hunts? There are many hunters out there that I believe would compete in competition hunts if they knew they would be competing against honest coonhounds. Poor breeding practices have created silent mouth, agressive, slick treeing dogs that have no mouth. I think HTX only hunts would allow the hunters with true honest coonhounds to compete in a State and World Hunt and shocase a true coondog.

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The reason for the lowest attendance is due to how people have bred their hounds. They breed for silent mouth track dogs, and concentrate on hard tree dogs. If somethings not done to correct this, the balanced hound will eventually disappear. The mouth of hounds has suffered to this type breeding also. Most sound like house dogs now. Not all but most.

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The reason for low attendance at HTX events has absolutely nothing to do with how people have bred hounds. It simply reflects the fact that people will not drive to an event and pay an entry fee to participate in an event that is not competitive.
I think that the original idea involved offering something specifically for the non-competitive types. But those non-competitives don't travel to events and they don't pay entry fees.

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The reason for the lowest attendance is due to how people have bred their hounds. They breed for silent mouth track dogs, and concentrate on hard tree dogs. If somethings not done to correct this, the balanced hound will eventually disappear. The mouth of hounds has suffered to this type breeding also. Most sound like house dogs now. Not all but most.

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The handler would have to be pretty honest if he was hunting by himself he couldn't pitch his dog or strike him if he was silent or any of that.

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WOW Last week it was The babblers fault for low turn out.

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Jim and Tim are spot on, people will blame everything from babblers silent track, poor mouth, etc to why the hunts are down. We all know this just isn't the case if someone has a coondogs, they will hunt and win these Hunts. I never cared what the other handlers were hunting, still don't care. My dog should not pay any attention to other dogs, if a silent dog beats me, I need a better dog. If a babbler beats men I need a better dog. I have owned silent mouth dogs that treed a lot of coons and could win hunts, but the very best dogs I have owned or hunted with have been open trailing dogs. A coondog should prevail and win most hunts, if you are losing more than you are winning, then blame your dog and not what some other dog did or didn't do. Dave

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Yeah, and this week the whole problem is these silent dogs being pitched in for dishonest strike points by cheating handlers......sheesh.

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Haven't you always advocated that a 3/4 strike dog that tree more coon will win most hunts? Guess what, they will win most hunts! Give me a coondogs and I don't care what the other dogs do, they can be silent, or babble all night. Ability is way more important than the dogs style. If I lose, it's usually due to a better coondogs beating me, has nothing to do with open or silent, babbling or not, no excuses, it's dog power. Dave

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Man could take a 25 strike and 25 tree dog right now and win a lot of hunts. Never in the history of coonhunting has it been easier to win a Coonhunt.


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Wow, I must be farther out of the loop than I thought. I know anything can win a cast upon occasion but I sure would have a hard time getting myself to show up with a 25/25 dog. Not sure I could even feed something like that. SMH.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by yadkintar
Man could take a 25 strike and 25 tree dog right now and win a lot of hunts. Never in the history of coonhunting has it been easier to win a Coonhunt.


Tar [/QUOTE

Or as my Dad would have said.....WLoBS.

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You sure are out of the loop Jim you ain't ever kept your mouth shut and let dogs catch a bunch of minus and just take what you needed for the win ? With only one cast or two at the hunts a 50+ point cast win is just as good as a 1000+ point cast win now !


But you already knew that right lol ?


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I agree with Jim, no way would I feed that kind of dog. I pleasure hunt more than competition hunt, but I hunt the same dogs whatever I am doing pleasure or competition hunting. I hunt the best dogs I can hunt, I hunt for fun and discovered early in life that a good dog does not eat any more than a so so dog. I don't like to waste my time or dog feed now that a good feed costs over a dollar a pound. Lol. I also, expect to win when I enter a hunt, does not always happen but more often than not. Dave

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Nothing wrong with packing a top dog. But I get in a cast with guys that are gunning when they ain't got that kind of dog taking a bunch of minus I am going to take just enough to stay ahead. Go back and look at the books that still got the scores in them you will see more low scores than big ones it's public knowledge look it up and get back to me lol.



I hate being right all the time I would like to be wrong one time just to see how it feels lol.


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I competition hunted hard in the 80's and I feel confident saying the dogs that won back then would make most of today's dogs look sick. Try drawing, Lipper, Cash, Lawyer, Rank, etc, etc and then tell me again that you have a true honest coondog. I will hand you a mirror and show you a fool. Back then fast game was a worry when training dogs not trying to breed them independent or silent.

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W.o outlaw you got me curious I was were you were and hunting against those same dogs at that time we should know each other. You are right they were different dogs and the hunts were bigger and harder to win. 3 hrs on younger legs lol.


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Sounds like Yadkintar knows what I'm talkin about!!! If he is who I think he is, he owned a fine coonhound called Tar Rattler and lived not far from me in the 80's. Never drew him but heard about his hounds and knew they were hard to beat.

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Yes sir I thought that was you!! I was hunting a nice little English dog back then. I never got drawer on the same cast as you but always wished I would have. Are you still keeping your line going?

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