Registered: Nov 2009
Location: Tennessee
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we are excited about the move. it was taking 10-11 hours for us and now it is only 6. was wondering about the weight pull? it has always been on wheels and since this is a new venue, how about some rails? if the hotels are too much, go camping, have fun, and make it all positive. we have camped several times this year and we had a blast. we also checked rooms last night and we found some for 46 a night , the hotel is 7 miles away, but they are available if you get your ducks in a row. we will be looking forward to the premiere and the all-stars. let's see if we can get some rails to pull on.

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Registered: Aug 2009
Location: michigan
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Back when MWWP did premier, there were 2 years where we had rails on thur and fri, and then premier with ukc was wheels on sat and sun.
THe problem with rails, is getting enough weight there. This required alot of driving to pick the wts up.

And ukc didnt want to do rails for the sat and sunday pulls.

Good luck

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Location: St Cloud, MN
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All I know... is last year I didn't enter Toby, because I knew the spots were taken quite quickly and wanted to leave them to the more experienced, more serious weight pullers.

I just might have to enter him this year though!! Especially after sitting and chatting with the folks last year.

We have never pulled on rails, only wheels, but what the heck!!!

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Registered: Aug 2007
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It would be nice to pull on rails of course, but honestly I would be happy if they would change that CRAPPY carpet after SOOO many years finally...there is nothing left in that carpet.

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Registered: Nov 2009
Location: Tennessee
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all they have to do is call a concrete block co. to sponsor and they will deliver the weight, they do here anyway. with the right set up, all dogs would be able to pull their percentages and still not need more than 8,000 lbs.. i'm sure we could find some way to do it. this would give bigger dogs a shot at mwppbp.

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Registered: Aug 2009
Location: michigan
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But they divided it into 2 divisions now... so big dogs get mwppbp in division 2 ( the big dog division).
Why dont you call ukc and ask michelle morgan if they would contract for rails?

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Toni (wt puller) is correct, UKC did opt not to use the rail system a few years ago at PREMIER for several reasons. The main reasons were:

At that time the weight pulls were starting early morning and ending at 11:00 pm. The Rail system allows for more weight to be pulled than the wheel system and we couldn't extend the pull out any later as it was running way too late at night as it was.

There are many conflicts that occur at PREMEIR and WP tries to accomodate as best as they can; hence it runs late and makes for a very long day for all involved working the pull and of course the exhibitors (dogs) as well.

We didn't want to limit the entries any lower than 75 dogs.

In this area the only weight type sponsor available was a Water Softening company who was willing to drop off and pick-up salt bags at no charge and only charged for the damaged bags. However, 5,000 pounds was the limit we could have delivered.

So, at that time we decided it was best to stay with the wheel system.

For the 2010 PREMIER we've just been notified that the club who normally runs the weight pull is unable to make the change to the new location. Therefore, we are looking for a new club to run the weight pulls. Any weight pull club interested may contact Michelle Morgan at mmorgan@ukcdogs.com

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Windber, PA
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8000 lbs.....

On my club's track we would be out of weight with the 50 lb class.

Quality track such as this would need a bare minimum of 13,000 lbs.

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Registered: Aug 2009
Location: michigan
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Michelle.
back then the limit was just 60 dogs. Just in the past 2 or 3 years the limit has been higher then 60 dogs.
And it's intersting that wt pull is the first performance event to fill up and it does it in what..... 3 .... 4 days at most.

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Registered: Jul 2003
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Toni,

PREMIER has had a limit of 75 entries since at least 2004. I'm not convinced that bantering about the number of entries allowed five plus years ago is really that important at this point in time. It was only one of several considerations when deciding what type of system to use at that time.

Honestly, my main concern right now is to be able to find a club that is willing to help with Weight Pull at the 2010 PREMIER. The logistics of what type of system can come after a club is found.

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Registered: May 2009
Location: Lake Odessa
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I read somewhere on here (can't find it) that Robert had a club tha would do it. I think, correct me if i'm wrong, but it was the BIG ORANGE weightpullers.


Can you bring your system to Premier, Robert?

Just a thought


Andrew

PS: Maybe this is 'taboo' to ask about in a public forum, but, is UKC going to be 'assisting' (financially) in order for a club to get their system there? Or should the UKC be looking for a club, located close to the pull site, so the cost would not be as high? Or maybe, a club is willing to bring there stuff there, for free?? I am assuming no, but, who knows.......

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Registered: Nov 2009
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 9

Yes, Big Orange Weightpullers would love to bring their system to 2010 Premier. We have had up to 57 dogs pulling and it only take us 5 hours.

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Registered: Aug 2009
Location: michigan
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The last premier I attended was 2005, and the limit in the premium list was still 60.
I was surprised to see the limit was raised to 75 givin like you said, all the other things going on and the fact that it takes so long as wt pull usually does wait or work around as best we can people doing all the other things too.
I know they always went over the limit published due to multiple entries coming in on the same day, and not being able to say who's got there first. ( as was explained to me by someone in the dog events department.) So to be fair, they let all those that was there on that day, to make entry. And as usually things come up and you dont get all the dogs that entered to show / pull.
( ex. bitches in season, handlers cant make the trip, or missing class due to other activities,ect...)
I do remember the year we were inside, with rails, and we had 12,000# on hand, and only had 12 hours to be totally done with the pull and we managed to get done before the time limit, and everyone one who entered and was there to pull did pull. And the new record at that time was set ( til PPAPBTA broke it in August of this year). At that time it was 9,945# pulled.
Anyways.... good luck to all who attend this year. hope the pull goes well. Due to work schedule, I can not attend.

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Registered: Nov 2009
Location: Tennessee
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well since the change that you either have to work or show for all stars and that show will wait for working events, waiting is not an issue. i saw them hold the second show at nationals until the pull was done with those showing.we don't need a record breaking weight pull to get the job done. don't forget, this is premier, so have your dogs worked. you were at one of our shows, and as i recall, everything went smooth and we were out of there in a timely fashion with 50+ dogs.

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Registered: Aug 2009
Location: michigan
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I was at your pull, but there wasnt 50+ dogs at that event!!
It was closier to mid 30's. HOwever, I have seen in the results posted in bloodlines that your entries have picked up. And I believe ( I can look if you want the real answer that's published in bloodlines) around 47 or 48 at some since when I attended. BUT I also know I have read in the past it was alot smaller. So your growing, congrads on that! It's nice to see the sport of wt pulling growing for clubs. And more people participating in it.

Like I said, good luck, hope the pull goes well.

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Registered: Sep 2008
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I think it would behoove the UKC "Since this is their show case, of their best weight pullers"
To have the best equipment for the best dogs. No matter cart or rails, BEST!
No sob stories about weight and time, there are concrete block co. in every area.
If these are the best dogs, give them the chance to perform., if your not going to give "YOUR ALL STARS" the best why would anyone from another origination ever want to come pull with the UKC.
Rock

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Registered: Nov 2009
Location: Tennessee
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we pull to see who is best. the best dogs should be able to pull on anything and still come out on top. here's an organisation example for you. adba nationals, the judge comes in on sunday and says, today we will be starting out at 3390lbs for the 35-45 lb class. only 4 dogs out of 15 even made the opening pull after some people drove 15 hours to get there. we have pulled adba, nkc, ukc, and the ukc is the best. it is the most fair and rewarding for a working dog. in adba and nkc, if you do not place, you receive no points.

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Registered: Sep 2008
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They don't take major league baseball players and stick them on a sandlot behind the mill.
Sure they are the best they can play anywhere, and they get the best to play in because of it.

How much weight has been offically pulled on that track your talking about bringing?
Rock

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Registered: May 2009
Location: Lake Odessa
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I'm glad I don't pull ADBA. Starting out at 3,390 pounds, for a dog that weighs betwen 35-45 pounds? That's like 75% for a 45 pound dog and 96% for a 45 pound dog!!!

That seems like an extremely high starting weight and if I drove that far and paid my money, I should get to start where I want to start at.

I'm fortunate I found the UKC before I found that organizatin for pulling.

Has anyone contacted UKC about their club bringing a system or being the club in charge?

Andrew

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Registered: Nov 2009
Location: Tennessee
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the most that has been pulled on the track is 6100lbs. by a 73lb. pitbull. we have had 50lb. dogs pull 105% on the track. this weight gives the 73lb dog 82% what else do you want. like i said, this is premier, have your dogs ready. we have had some 100+lb. dogs, but they were not real pull dogs. i would say hank and harlee would get more out of it. the track does not shut down, we just need some bigger dogs to get more weight. we have a show in dec, come and play. we do not allow dog aggressive humans or human aggressive dogs. ya'll keep complaining about everything, and you can't please everyone all the time. we are trying to help and someone always has to try and put someone down.

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the most that has been pulled on the track is 6100lbs. by a 73lb. pitbull. we have had 50lb. dogs pull 105% on the track. this weight gives the 73lb dog 82% what else do you want. like i said, this is premier, have your dogs ready. we have had some 100+lb. dogs, but they were not real pull dogs. i would say hank and harlee would get more out of it. the track does not shut down, we just need some bigger dogs to get more weight. we have a show in dec, come and play. we do not allow dog aggressive humans or human aggressive dogs. ya'll keep complaining about everything, and you can't please everyone all the time. we are trying to help and someone always has to try and put someone down.

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Registered: Aug 2009
Location: michigan
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I wasnt putting anyone down either. All I did was give some facts and history of wt pull at preimer. And tell how in the past, we did 2 years of rails 2 days, and wheels 2 days. This WAS before all stars, and that ukc didnt want to do rails. I just simply suggested that you call Michelle Morgan and ask about doing rails.

I know what it takes to do rails, especially if you have a good system. I remember I had 12,000# of wt on hand for the second year we did rails when the folks from washington came out to pull. And that year we also were indoors in the air conditioning and we had a time limit and it worked well. We got out before time ran out. And everyone was happy.

Like I said, good luck hope the pull goes well, I have to work.

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Registered: May 2009
Location: Lake Odessa
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I was just making the point of that is not fair or healthy for the dogs. If only 4/15 were able to do it, that means 11 of the dogs failed, on their 1st attempt. That would be like me, going to the gym, trying to bench 400 pounds on the 1st attempt, w/out warming up. I know I 'over warm up' my dogs. I'd rather have them too warm, than not wamr enough. I'm really more concerned about the UKC though.



Anyway, I just am awaiting someone to take on the premier.



Is All-Stars (assuming I make it, 390/375 points and i'm in like 14 place or so!!!) going to be on Friday again? I've not seen a schedule, as of yet. Anyone know?

Andrew

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Registered: Aug 2007
Location: Milton, Indiana
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I know there are still alot of things to be worked out on the logistics but there is a company called IMI in Richmond, IN that sells block and they just might be approachable to loan the UKC block for the weight pull.

I can supply contact information if needed in the future.

Susan

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Registered: May 2009
Location: Lake Odessa
Posts: 58

Robert/Rock/Anyone,

Updates on Premier? Anyone contact them about doing the premier on rails as of yet?


Andrew

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