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dont think i am just picking on the poor walker breed. all other breeds rank at # 38. if everything goes as i have planed my 4 year old english hound will have his O.F.A. thyroid panel sent to M.S.U. next week . he could very well be the first hound of all time entered into a data bank that the results (good or bad ) for the recessive gene can be verified . it would be hypocritical for me to sit back and ask others to test and not be willing to test my own dog . like bruce said 20 years from now what some scoff about today my very well be a common practice to better the health of all our breeds .

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From what I can tell Thyroid disease in dogs is alot like humans. Multiple things can cause Hypothyroidism.

Here are just a few things.

It CAN be genetic, that is true.

It is autoimmune which means ANY disease can cause it especially ones like the tick borne illnesses

Females can have it after a pregnancy due to poor blood flow to the pituitary (Pituitary controls the thyroid)

Injury

Exposure to drugs/pesticides

Finally, giving thyroid medication to a dog that doesn't have thyroid disease just to increase it's "pep".

All of these are causes of thyroid disease.

There are so many things that can cause it that it makes it very difficult to predict.

For example, I have never owned a thyroid dog before, now I have two. One is just over a year old and his momma was a thyroid dog, could be genetic.

The other is 9 and never had an issue before and has been tested three other times in the past and was always normal. Now all of a sudden he don't even register. Hard to blame that on genetics (although it very well could be) but it would make more sense for him to have had it for a different reason like one listed above or one I haven't even thought of.

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From what I can tell Thyroid disease in dogs is alot like humans. Multiple things can cause Hypothyroidism.

Here are just a few things.

It CAN be genetic, that is true.

It is autoimmune which means ANY disease can cause it especially ones like the tick borne illnesses

Females can have it after a pregnancy due to poor blood flow to the pituitary (Pituitary controls the thyroid)

Injury

Exposure to drugs/pesticides

Finally, giving thyroid medication to a dog that doesn't have thyroid disease just to increase it's "pep".

All of these are causes of thyroid disease.

There are so many things that can cause it that it makes it very difficult to predict.

For example, I have never owned a thyroid dog before, now I have two. One is just over a year old and his momma was a thyroid dog, could be genetic.

The other is 9 and never had an issue before and has been tested three other times in the past and was always normal. Now all of a sudden he don't even register. Hard to blame that on genetics (although it very well could be) but it would make more sense for him to have had it for a different reason like one listed above or one I haven't even thought of.

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it's a lot for people to learn about. it will take time lots and lots of time. if a dog is genetically a thyroid dog. half his offspring will be a thyroid dog. so that makes a lot of less valuable genetics. it is like a slap in the face after all that work.

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I sure don't like the thyroid issue but coon hunters are tuff and the sky isn't falling. If you use it for an excuse for a poor quality hound, that is your problem. The quality of hound I am interested in can perform with or without a thyroid issue. We proved that last weekend one day after I found out the dog had very low numbers. Still won us close to $500 bucks for the weekend and had one enjoyable pleasure hunt this week with him between the rain storms.


His Thyroid is one concern and his hard head is another. I will work on the hard head and let the vet give us a plan for the thyroid.

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it could be that the gene pools for our hounds were to small from the very beginning and even through testing breeding stock and trying to eliminate the recessive trait it could be impossible . we know now for a fact that in 80% of thyroid cases the dog was genetically predisposed .shouldnt we test to see the extent of the problem instead of pretending it dont exist? would you breed to a stud dog that was proven to not carry the gene in a data bank or breed to one that could be a carrier and hope you dont have a pup like your have now at one year old with a problem ? the thyroid glands main function is metabolism and heat control . METABOLISM IS THE CHEMICAL PROCESSES THAT OCCUR IN A LIVING ORGANISM TO MAINTAIN LIFE .RIP these questions are not directed at you personally . as a hound lover i think everyone should at least be objective and think about the health problems facing our dogs today . shouldnt we if possible try to leave the generations that follow us a healthy stock of dogs to enjoy ? it looks like these thyroid dogs are getting to be the norm instead of rarely heard of these days.in 20 more years will world hunts be won by dogs that need pills to function properly ? guess what we are already at that point but not many even give it a thought . feed your dog 2 pills a day you can win 100 grand . pick up truck be on the front cover of the magazines . it wont end until all the males go sterile and all the females have silent heat cycles . nature has a way with correcting inherited genetic faults over time. is there a possibility dogs that need pills every day in several generations the pills wont work anymore if we keep breeding them without thought ?so many questions we should be thinking about .

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here is the thing if it is a genetic trait than it's a issue that can be managed with proper breeding. the test will not fix a dog that has a thyroid issue caused from a health issue. can the test tell the difference? idk

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Rip, where should we start looking and narrowing down the cause? What test would you suggest to eliminate outside factors? I got two neither has ever had a tick problem. They are completely clean on everything.

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Rip, where should we start looking and narrowing down the cause? What test would you suggest to eliminate outside factors? I got two neither has ever had a tick problem. They are completely clean on everything.

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click left on diagnostic sections then move down on right and click on endocrinology move down and click on thyroid registration information . just about everything you need to know about auto immune thyroidsis can be found here including the test you need to use to see if your dog is genetic or other causes and how to enter your dog in a data bank for people wanting to make better choices for breeding purposes or buy a pup .

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Something you guys are forgetting.........

Out of the number of dogs tested, there was x number that actually had it. So at say 16% for walkers. So you can't assume 16% of the breed has it. Just 16% that were sent in had it. And out of the other coonhounds breeds where do they stand in competition hunts? How many actually get hunted hard preparing for hunts to see the slightest differences?

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Something you guys are forgetting.........

.... So at say 16% for walkers. So you can't assume 16% of the breed has it. Just 16% that were sent in had it..

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They can't have anything off of total number of dogs except for what they tested. Not like they can test dogs that weren't sent in to them. There's a huge number of dogs in the country. If you go to their website you can look at total number tested vs total number that were positive thyroid dogs. They have the German wirehair pointer at #2 or 3. At 20+%, but have only tested 325 or so dogs. And there's plenty more than 325 dogs in the country. 16% or whatever the number was that they had figured is only the ones that tested positive for thyroid.

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WALKER COONHOUND BREED . THYROID DISEASE -HIGH RISK ...the walker hound ranks # 16 among all all breeds for [ AUTOIMMUNE THYROIDITIS PREVALENCE] .For this reason you should make sure YOU OUR YOUR BREEDER are testing all dogs used for breeding .it may even be a good idea to test dogs you are not breeding so that any instance of disease can be traced back to BREEDING PAIRS .

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Does that mean that of the walker dogs that have thyroid desease, 16% of it is hereditary? I thought that they were saying that 16% of all walker dogs had hereditary thyroid Desease.

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Does that mean that of the walker dogs that have thyroid desease, 16% of it is hereditary? I thought that they were saying that 16% of all walker dogs had hereditary thyroid Desease.

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If Ive read some of the post correctly , is it safe to say that some/most or part of this Thyroid problem is man~made? Due to shock collar use ,because of the location of the contact points on the dog thyroid glands, and use of regular dog collars during and after training when dogs are being jerked while on a lead strap or tied out and running the tie~out chain,cable or rope?
If so, wouldnt this fall under animal abuse since it causes health problems ?
Im just asking so dont start bashing .
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Only two causes are "known". they are the genetic cause and cancer. The rest of the "causes" are all just educated guesses. Hypothyroidism happens when the thyroid gland quits working. There are 1,000 theoretical reasons or guesses why it quits.

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If Ive read some of the post correctly , is it safe to say that some/most or part of this Thyroid problem is man~made? Due to shock collar use ,because of the location of the contact points on the dog thyroid glands, and use of regular dog collars during and after training when dogs are being jerked while on a lead strap or tied out and running the tie~out chain,cable or rope?
If so, wouldnt this fall under animal abuse since it causes health problems ?
Im just asking so dont start bashing .
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CHICKEN LITTLE AGAIN LOL . THE SKY FELL YEARS A GO > ALL PUPPIES SHOULD COME WITH WRITTEN INSTRUCTIONS FOR THYROID WARNING SIGNS AND SCREENING TEST PROCEDURES TO KEEP THEM HEALTHY.

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This is exactly what it sounds like to me!!!!!! There's no possible way that they tested even half of the dogs in the country. I bet not even 25% of the dogs. What they tested were dogs that local vets and owners thought had thyroid problems and to be sure they sent out for results. Again, its way over leading on numbers. And again it sure doesn't take long for a dogs DNA to actually change.

This is my last post on this thread. This is just a bunch of hoop-la, and its gotten a bit off of the original Topix it was supposed to be.

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Only two causes are "known". they are the genetic cause and cancer. The rest of the "causes" are all just educated guesses. Hypothyroidism happens when the thyroid gland quits working. There are 1,000 theoretical reasons or guesses why it quits.

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I don’t think it is safe to say that. I think someone was just shooting from the hip speculating what might be the cause.

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80% are proven to have a genetic link from a recessive gene passed from breeding pairs that can be identified though testing to make better choices for breeding healthier dogs .. *kc got a grant 36 k to help fund a study that has not been had any information published yet on the time line and causes of the onset of a dog with the recessive gene for its thyroid to miss function . it is being done by m.s.u. as well . you can look at the information on the a.k.* website under health .

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If it is recessive then if two thyroid dogs were bred then 100% of the offspring would be thyroid dogs because they would have nothing except the bad gene to pass along (remember recessive genes are not expressed as a phenotype unless the dominant copy is not present).

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