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Tar there are a lot of them that have Lipper no where in their ped that have it. This isn't a single dog problem. I think in the end what will be found is this is a recessive gene and our practices of line breeding "inbreeding" has caused us a major problem. I also believe there are a lot of dogs that do not have the problem, but through in the fact that the tick problem can cause it and we have a lot of confusion.

Tar, I'm from Arkansas and your from Oklahoma we both know stuff goes wrong after several generations of breeding cousins to cousins and nieces to uncles.

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Joey your thoughts on the recessive gene are thr same as mine. My question then is. Will the test to see if your dog has a genetic related thyroid condition in todays world identify that issue. Or will we have wait twenty years for a genitic marker to be identified.

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No it will not Bruce, from my understanding if its hereditary it will be autoimmune. The test will show markers for a autoimmune disease and if it is it's presumed genetic. At least that is my understanding.

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Tar there are a lot of them that have Lipper no where in their ped that have it. This isn't a single dog problem. I think in the end what will be found is this is a recessive gene and our practices of line breeding "inbreeding" has caused us a major problem. I also believe there are a lot of dogs that do not have the problem, but through in the fact that the tick problem can cause it and we have a lot of confusion.

Tar, I'm from Arkansas and your from Oklahoma we both know stuff goes wrong after several generations of breeding cousins to cousins and nieces to uncles.

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Tar there are a lot of them that have Lipper no where in their ped that have it. This isn't a single dog problem. I think in the end what will be found is this is a recessive gene and our practices of line breeding "inbreeding" has caused us a major problem. I also believe there are a lot of dogs that do not have the problem, but through in the fact that the tick problem can cause it and we have a lot of confusion.

Tar, I'm from Arkansas and your from Oklahoma we both know stuff goes wrong after several generations of breeding cousins to cousins and nieces to uncles.

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I dont think joey and I know I am not thinking it is only a recessive gene. On some it may be and in others it will not. I just want to know how in breeding stock you eliminate the issue by testing and what testing that can show if the dog has it as either a dominate or recessive gene.
I would be willing to bet if ten of us took a 15 month old male we had to our local vet and told them we wanted the dog tested for a heridarity thyroid problem. We would get seversl different test performed with several different results. Some wrong. Guess i will do some more reading and figure out exactly what program MSU has and how I get a sample sent to them.

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I dont think joey and I know I am not thinking it is only a recessive gene. On some it may be and in others it will not. I just want to know how in breeding stock you eliminate the issue by testing and what testing that can show if the dog has it as either a dominate or recessive gene.
I would be willing to bet if ten of us took a 15 month old male we had to our local vet and told them we wanted the dog tested for a heridarity thyroid problem. We would get seversl different test performed with several different results. Some wrong. Guess i will do some more reading and figure out exactly what program MSU has and how I get a sample sent to them.

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we shouldn't just jump to conclusions that is a recessive gene, it may be a dominate gene unless u know for a fact which it is? facts only.

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So doc if Sombody were feeding non good quality dog food for a long period of time and it raised their dogs cholesterol is would make them act like they were having thyroid issues when not ?




Really I am trying to understand this I agree with Bruce we need to find out now !!!


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I have raised my own dogs for a lot of years I take the best care I can to keep them healthy I am old school if a dog does not perform in the woods up to my expectations I cull them the old back in the day hunters did to because basicly a dog during hide season was very important for income for my family you wanted coons in every tree that probly is why if thyroid existed it was the way it got weeded out jmo. I breed a family of dogs but if a certain dog is up close on one side I put it 3 generations back on the other. Like I told Bruce the other day I really am nervous about this genetic thyroid issue I am really thinking on breeding my walker female to an English dog there is one I have hunted with his offspring and they tree coons , have good mouths and are winning hunts. There are some dogs in the walker breed that are passing on the genetic thyroid gene and it's got to the point the breed is saturated with them I don't know how to fix it but breed out of it.


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the institute of canine biology thyroid disease is recessive .the most effective way to raise puppies that are homogous for recessive allele is to breed pure bred stock from closely related animals.

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You gonna have to dum that down for me you lost me lol.


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it takes to to tango .lol one recessive gene from each parent.lol

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What he is saying is what I have been saying, if its hereditary its a recessive gene. Recessive genes are brought out by line breeding and we do a lot of it.

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I have problems with small words let alone the big ones lol. I just breed for myself about every three years for something to hunt but like I said I don't stack it back to back. Unfortunately a lot of the breeders are to get a sellable pedigree so for me to outcross would take a lot of reaserch and information that I don't have. myself if I have a dog with that defect I would just cull it but I would hate to sell a pup and Sombody pour their heart and soul into that pup for three years then find out it had thyroid there is no amount of money that would make that right. Jmo




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Some of this information here is false. My hound had Eurlychia last summer and recovered to %80 his thyroid level was at 1.4 and I took to heart what was said here about him needing to be at 2.5 after being on .8 mg twice a day for 6 weeks he now test at .6 I called hemopet and they say if a hound has no thyroid problems giving them medicine to raise it will actually drop it because a healthy thyroid will shut down and try keeping level at its normal range. More than likely in my case she said Eurlychia has retriggered

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Some of this information here is false. My hound had Eurlychia last summer and recovered to %80 his thyroid level was at 1.4 and I took to heart what was said here about him needing to be at 2.5 after being on .8 mg twice a day for 6 weeks he now test at .6 I called hemopet and they say if a hound has no thyroid problems giving them medicine to raise it will actually drop it because a healthy thyroid will shut down and try keeping level at its normal range. More than likely in my case she said Eurlychia has retriggered

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Yes you did Joey, but after spending $3000 On this dog and 2 weeks after buying him I find out he had Eurlychia. I was willing to buy into this thyroid stuff to get him back to %100 and now hemopet tells me more than likely Eurlychia has retriggered. And you know how it goes the guy I got him from in Tennessee says he never even heard of Eurlychia

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it is not dogs fault but the practices of men that are the problem . we can save most of the dogs by making people aware of the problem and getting the dog to the vet . it is pride arrogance and the denial by men that we can not change .with the walker dog #16 and all other coon hound breeds # 38 of all breeds in the m.s.u. study you would think that would be a wake up call. that would send out a alarm to the breed ass . to try and protect the health of their breeds . what do the breed ass. think about genetic thyroid problems ? i would like to see some in put from them on this issue .

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golden retrievers # 20 . 1 out of 4 golden retrievers will develop thyroidsis in their life time . 25% . why would we as hound owners expect the health of our dogs to be different than a breed that is that ranked higher in the study by m.s.u. ? the golden retriever club of america has some good information on thyroids in the health section for their breed that every hound owner can learn from . we as hound owners and breeders are years behind on the health issues that we face in our breeds.

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golden retrievers # 20 . 1 out of 4 golden retrievers will develop thyroidsis in their life time . 25% . why would we as hound owners expect the health of our dogs to be different than a breed that is that ranked higher in the study by m.s.u. ? the golden retriever club of america has some good information on thyroids in the health section for their breed that every hound owner can learn from . we as hound owners and breeders are years behind on the health issues that we face in our breeds.

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doc i posted a pedigree of a dog on the walker site that tested positive in his thyroid profile for( genetic thyroidsis by the presence of auto immune anti bodies) tgaa.. would i be correct in saying that every breeding pair in his pedigree passed one recessive gene to him ? can you breed out the recessive genes by testing and breeding one positive dog to one that tested negative if that was your only option or you wanted to save as many good traits in a line without starting back at square one ?

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Is the gene for a genetic thyroid problem dominate or recessive? Or is it caused by a gene that has mutated or has become deformed? If their gene becomes deformed due to drugs or tick deseaze, will they then pass this on to their offspring?

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click left on diagnostic sections then move down on right and click on endocrinology move down and click on thyroid registration information . just about everything you need to know about auto immune thyroidsis can be found here including the test you need to use to see if your dog is genetic or other causes and how to enter your dog in a data bank for people wanting to make better choices for breeding purposes or buy a pup .

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