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3 dogs on cast, 2 are opening an struck in and moving to the left, other dog is moving to the right. dog going to right never barked never struck in. garmin shows he is getting close to road, non hunting judge makes cast call time out since dog that has never opened is getting close to danger. shouldnt he had to withdrawal since garmin was the only reason we knew where he was at?

same judge told me if dog gets struck within minute, regardless of what we thought he couldbt be minused for babbling an we had to wait for the 8 to catch him to minus the strike points?

please clarify for future reference.

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Judge was wrong on both calls.

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I'm pretty sure that the "non-hunting" judge can call timeout based on the garmin rule and in accordance with rule 7.
And the babbling rule is very difficult to enforce.

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3 dogs on cast, 2 are opening an struck in and moving to the left, other dog is moving to the right. dog going to right never barked never struck in. garmin shows he is getting close to road, non hunting judge makes cast call time out since dog that has never opened is getting close to danger. shouldnt he had to withdrawal since garmin was the only reason we knew where he was at?

same judge told me if dog gets struck within minute, regardless of what we thought he couldbt be minused for babbling an we had to wait for the 8 to catch him to minus the strike points?

please clarify for future reference.

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Any different with non hunting judge like stated in post?

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It doesn't say he has to be struck in. If a man showed me his garmin and the dog was nearing danger, he would get a timeout from me.
With a hunting judge it takes a vote to do it, or else your only other option is to withdraw your dog.

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How about 3 dog cast 2 dogs not struck heading to the road 1 dog struck and goin other direction timeout was called is that not Garmin affecting the hunt?

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Any different with non hunting judge like stated in post?

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telemetry rule
The addition of this rule to me hasn't changed any thing. The rule was made to allow handler to check the dogs location only. not call him out the woods or help you tree your dog ect...

RULE # 1. Under no circumstances may telemetry be used to determine the scoring of any dog(s).

RULE # 2. If by way of telemetry a handler deems dog to be in danger per an item outlined in Rule 7 they may ask for a cast vote to call time out. If a majority is not reached the handler may withdraw the dog and retrieve it for safety’s sake.

RULE # 3. At no time may a handler demand the cast walk in the direction of a hound that has not been heard opening. The judge, or majority of the cast when hunting judge is used, may agree to walk in that direction.

RULE # 4. When considering the use of telemetry during the hunt the handler may not interfere with any handler’s ability to listen for their hound. Handlers failing to heed to such a warning by the judge shall have their dog scratched from the cast.

RULE # 5. A Master of Hounds/ Panel may not consider any debate that is based on telemetry use.

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telemetry rule
The addition of this rule to me hasn't changed any thing. The rule was made to allow handler to check the dogs location only. not call him out the woods or help you tree your dog ect...

RULE # 1. Under no circumstances may telemetry be used to determine the scoring of any dog(s).

RULE # 2. If by way of telemetry a handler deems dog to be in danger per an item outlined in Rule 7 they may ask for a cast vote to call time out. If a majority is not reached the handler may withdraw the dog and retrieve it for safety’s sake.

RULE # 3. At no time may a handler demand the cast walk in the direction of a hound that has not been heard opening. The judge, or majority of the cast when hunting judge is used, may agree to walk in that direction.

RULE # 4. When considering the use of telemetry during the hunt the handler may not interfere with any handler’s ability to listen for their hound. Handlers failing to heed to such a warning by the judge shall have their dog scratched from the cast.

RULE # 5. A Master of Hounds/ Panel may not consider any debate that is based on telemetry use.

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Rule 7 in the Nite Hunt Honor Rules.

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I would call a time out. The time is always right to do what is right.

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It would of sucked had the one dog got caught and the other 2 get scratched for the hr. Guess Id question the call just incase.

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Just withdraw and get your dog its not a big deal.

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Originally posted by Harry Middleton
It doesn't say he has to be struck in. If a man showed me his garmin and the dog was nearing danger, he would get a timeout from me.
With a hunting judge it takes a vote to do it, or else your only other option is to withdraw your dog.

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Garmin or no Garmin if I am guiding your cast I am not going to put you were you or your dog even have a chance of being in danger !!

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I dont think a ? would overturn a nonhunting judge on the timeout question, with a hunting judge the vote would probably go with the 2 handlers whos dogs were working a track but with a nonhunting judge there is no vote, weather you agree with it or not its his call. When it comes to saving a dog in danger i dont see a distinction between a dog being struck or not struck.
HOWEVER.. for all of us who have said you cant cheat with a garmin if you follow the rules, heres the way.
I would rather hunt under a weak hunting judge where you can call for a vote than a weak nonhunting judge where you cant.

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I'm just reading the rules as they are. Myself, I'd withdraw my and let everyone else hunt. Telemetry rules refer to rule 7 and rule 7 addresses hunting and non hunting judges. And I didn't say a dog couldn't be scratched for babbling, I only said it's hard to prove. msinc I've read many of your replies on these forums and agree with most of them. I think you have great knowledge of the rules. I try to be a gentleman and a good sport at the hunts. If someone wants to be the south end of a northbound donkey then I'll shake their hand at the end of my night and go on about my business. I could very well be wrong in what I'm reading, but it's the way I read it.

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I'm just reading the rules as they are. Myself, I'd withdraw my and let everyone else hunt. Telemetry rules refer to rule 7 and rule 7 addresses hunting and non hunting judges. And I didn't say a dog couldn't be scratched for babbling, I only said it's hard to prove. msinc I've read many of your replies on these forums and agree with most of them. I think you have great knowledge of the rules. I try to be a gentleman and a good sport at the hunts. If someone wants to be the south end of a northbound donkey then I'll shake their hand at the end of my night and go on about my business. I could very well be wrong in what I'm reading, but it's the way I read it.

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It's a friendly debate. And you are very welcome. Hope your weather up that way is getting good by now. We're a cool 64 right now. LOL. I can read the telemetry rules both ways in this one. If it's only by cast vote I think it should say "ONLY by cast vote, even with a non hunting judge". My hand is extended to you.

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The whole point of garmin use is so YOU can withdraw to save your hound. Now, you can ask the cast to call timeout, or a non-hunting judge, but good luck with that if ANYTHING is going on at that point in time.

As a non-hunting judge I wouldn't have allowed it with two dogs in a safe place and running a track. I would have said you can withdraw and take off but that's the best I can offer to all the handlers involved.

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It's a friendly debate. And you are very welcome. Hope your weather up that way is getting good by now. We're a cool 64 right now. LOL. I can read the telemetry rules both ways in this one. If it's only by cast vote I think it should say "ONLY by cast vote, even with a non hunting judge". My hand is extended to you.

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I would say the judge can call time out for danger( why turn loose that close to the road)
? #2 a dog can be minused for babbling at any time and should be!

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