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A pup/ young dog takes off on a hot deer track, runs it for a mile and quits and most cases never runs another. that dog is missing something that if he had he would finish out to be a better dog jmo

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Joey and others that are in agreement with him understand what I am saying...I never said that that is the only type of pup that will make a hunting dog...

If all else is the same except for what is listed below...

if I had to choose between 2 pups at 6 months of age and one was chasing , treeing and baying all kinds of game, and the other pup didn't show much interest in any type of game...and the reason I was told is that the pup comes from a slow starting line but he should start at around a year but before 18 months...for me it is any easy choice to make...and I think most anyone else would pick the same pup I would...

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Sleepy I know sombody is going to call bs but these dogs I got need very little trash correction its bred in them but they ain't lacking heart I invite anybody to come down here and follow this 10 yr old female in these bottoms for a couple hrs you would have a different opinion about heart and having to be junky to have it.

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Sleepy I know sombody is going to call bs but these dogs I got need very little trash correction its bred in them but they ain't lacking heart I invite anybody to come down here and follow this 10 yr old female in these bottoms for a couple hrs you would have a different opinion about heart and having to be junky to have it.

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Ruben can you give me an example of any line that doesnt start until they are 12 to 18 months of age. I thought in this day and age they didnt exist. Some dont settle down till about 18 months of age but they started and hunted hard and chased alot of coon long before then.

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Some dogs are trashy and will always be trashy unless you break them from every thing that leaves a scent. They also produce trashy pups. I'll take dogs from a line that think coons are the spice of life. There are plenty of track driving lines that are easy to trash break.

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Ruben can you give me an example of any line that doesnt start until they are 12 to 18 months of age. I thought in this day and age they didnt exist. Some dont settle down till about 18 months of age but they started and hunted hard and chased alot of coon long before then.

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So the concensus here seems to be you are less likely to get high levels of drive and run to catch desire without the trashing. Interesting.

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I ain't never had one that treed coons one after anouther and I didn't have to wonder if it was running junk or not that was boring but that's just me.

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No they normally don't have and never will have a lot of drive. Its not the case with all of them but it is with a lot of them. Its really kind of a moot point anyway 1/2 the people out there either don't know or want admit that there dog is running junk anyway. I have made people mad before but I tend to let people know what I think the dogs are doing if it is mine yours or anyone else. Mine isn't perfect and I will accuse them of something in hart beat. I was on a cast a few months ago and the dogs ran some kind of fast game. 5 minuets into the race I accused them of running junk. Mine included, a guy on the cast got fighting mad and said his dog never runs junk. 1.5 miles and 2 sections of woods later the track broke down and they got treed with a coon. That guy was convinced those dogs ran a coon over there.

This is all just my point of view, I would bet that I like a dog that floats a lot more to the wild side than you would like. I'm not satisfied with a dog that just trees coons, no matter how many it gets boring to me. I like a wild one that I can break to be strait, one that screams a track in there, runs off and leaves the other dogs and slams a tree with authority. You don't normally see that out of dogs that are born mostly trash free. They are a little to laid back for my taste.

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i have never saw a trashy pup that could push a deer track or any other critter it got after miss tree on 30 % of the tracks it finishes . tree dogs are a dime a dozen . trailing running type hounds are hard to find these days .i can bend a trashy pup to my will with time . a dog that misses a lot at a young age will do it all its life . i dont like to guess does he have him walking to a tree . cut every tree limb in the woods sending them on to hope they get lucky on the next one . i hound that runs a deer now and then that falls treed off it with 2 looking down i can live with . lol

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i have never saw a trashy pup that could push a deer track or any other critter it got after miss tree on 30 % of the tracks it finishes . tree dogs are a dime a dozen . trailing running type hounds are hard to find these days .i can bend a trashy pup to my will with time . a dog that misses a lot at a young age will do it all its life . i dont like to guess does he have him walking to a tree . cut every tree limb in the woods sending them on to hope they get lucky on the next one . i hound that runs a deer now and then that falls treed off it with 2 looking down i can live with . lol

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i have never saw a trashy pup that could push a deer track or any other critter it got after miss tree on 30 % of the tracks it finishes . tree dogs are a dime a dozen . trailing running type hounds are hard to find these days .i can bend a trashy pup to my will with time . a dog that misses a lot at a young age will do it all its life . i dont like to guess does he have him walking to a tree . cut every tree limb in the woods sending them on to hope they get lucky on the next one . i hound that runs a deer now and then that falls treed off it with 2 looking down i can live with . lol

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I have one that does that now ! he thout I didn't know what he was doing !! but he is starting to under stand now I know !! cause he does it dang quick !!lol

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hes gets hooked !!

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Ruben can you give me an example of any line that doesnt start until they are 12 to 18 months of age. I thought in this day and age they didnt exist. Some dont settle down till about 18 months of age but they started and hunted hard and chased alot of coon long before then.

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i haven't had a fast game dog in years but there is plenty of slow moving trash out there. most pups are trashy ! when starting a pup best thing that can happen is sniff a porkies butt and get slapped in the face problem solved ! most coon hunters think the first thing to do is get pup in on a kill. now that young dog has helped kill it thinks it can kill every thing it can catch. making all trash eye appealing ! as i stated i haven't had a fast game runner in years. i do precondition them to ignore deer. with this simple method i load pup into wire kennel on my buggy pull leash up thru so i got a hold of it and go for a ride thru herd of deer as pup gets excited so do i. after a few trips pup will look the other way or pay's no attention. i'm to **** old to be chasing deer runners ! i'm a 4th generation coon hunter and in my opinion e collars don't train dogs !
they just stop bad behavior. most dogs are smart enough to know you can't use them at hunts. it only takes one time and the dog will always be trashy at hunts when coon aren't stirring. seen it many many times i consider these dogs junk !

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Reuben, I think the Bird Dog world is far ahead of the coon hound world. Mainly because of the personal interaction with the dog. I have a friend that has Hog Dogs that are trained to perfection and make many a coon hound look silly in the way they handle. I think the honest bottom line in the Dog World is the person behind the dog and most hounds/curs of any type are a lot smarter than we give them credit for and most are not trained close to there ability.
I do think a lot of Coon Hunters relay more on the natural ability of their hounds and just accept what the dogs brings to the table. Thats a good way to look at it, but when you do you have to be responsible to eliminate the ones that don't have that natural ability. Just look at all the negativity from the guys on here about dogs being trained to be alone, deep and even allowing them to run trash and falling off on a coon. All this to win a hunt. lol Again Coon Hounds bring a lot to the table and when they get in the hands of someone that also brings skill in handling a dog to the table. The feast is on!

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Ive always figured if the pup can't run a stinky deer than you'd better be worried. My only issue with them running trash is if you can't break them once they know what they are supposed to running. For me If they won't give up trash they are gone.

But yes i like gamey pups to start with.

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I should add that it also ticks me off when guys don't bother breaking their dogs off trash. I hate a guys dog getting out of town on a deer and then falling treed and the guy standing there bragging how far his dog ranges. Or if they open on trash and the guy calls the dog struck. Ill tell it right to there face bullsh!t. Im talking pleasure hunting.

Got a friend right now with a year old dog that is literally barking on the dog tracks ahead of it. He denied it for the longest time and kept telling me that dogs got a better nose. Until we set the dog up last time out. I cut a dog out and let it get a few hundred yards out then we let that 1 year old out and it hit the dog track and started barking. Gotcha!!

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I should add that it also ticks me off when guys don't bother breaking their dogs off trash. I hate a guys dog getting out of town on a deer and then falling treed and the guy standing there bragging how far his dog ranges. Or if they open on trash and the guy calls the dog struck. Ill tell it right to there face bullsh!t. Im talking pleasure hunting.

Got a friend right now with a year old dog that is literally barking on the dog tracks ahead of it. He denied it for the longest time and kept telling me that dogs got a better nose. Until we set the dog up last time out. I cut a dog out and let it get a few hundred yards out then we let that 1 year old out and it hit the dog track and started barking. Gotcha!!

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by S.Davis
U WD be suprised on how many dogs run deer then fall off on coon.or run a deer without barking a bark on track [/QUOTE And the owner had no clue.

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u WD be surprised at how many of them big money,truck winners are running trash. Hunted in pro hunt late rd one time and ole national big money struck first and my hound fell in there with him bellering every breath. Big money rolled up treed after about 400 yrds, and mine bellered treed about 100 yrds further down. Got to his tree and I went to mine,he had quarry on ground dead baying it,every breath. I got minus both ways. Ole lighting big money got circle on a slick,ole well. Anyway they seen what real speed was anyway

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400 yard possum ? Man they must have hi octane racen possums up there lol.

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u WD be surprised at how many of them big money,truck winners are running trash. Hunted in pro hunt late rd one time and ole national big money struck first and my hound fell in there with him bellering every breath. Big money rolled up treed after about 400 yrds, and mine bellered treed about 100 yrds further down. Got to his tree and I went to mine,he had quarry on ground dead baying it,every breath. I got minus both ways. Ole lighting big money got circle on a slick,ole well. Anyway they seen what real speed was anyway

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