Registered: Jul 2003
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I based this off the hunt results in the August bloodlines (actually plugged the numbers into a spreadsheet).

Here's what I found:

Average Hunt Size = 9 Dogs.
% of Hunts with 20 dogs or less: 98%.
% of Hunts with 10 dogs or less: 65%.
% of Hunts with 5 dogs or less: 23%.
% of Hunts with 8 dogs or less: 50%.

Noticed several 2 dog hunts that had Reg. and Nite Ch. winners.

What does that say to you???

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It says to me too many hunts and not enough customers.

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At the club which I belong to if we have 6 to 10 in average it seems like but the ukc mini slams average 16 to 24 hounds. Mini slams with a Calcutta seems to be the best turn out by far. Also 1 hr mini slams
would help the attendance from what hunters have told me when checking out with hunters what a club could do to bring up its attendance. At this time I'm told 3 mini slams are all a club is allowed to have. That should be a clubs options . Just what information iv been able to get her from hunters. The 1hr mini Slam hunts se to be what the younger working man's choice because of the sports events and the family time the older hunters like it also. Just what I've been told

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Location: Springfield, Ga.
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Mini slam option should extend into week night hunts with 1 hour time limits. I know for me, I am not hunting a money hunt to win a title. eliminate title earnings from week night hunts, or come up with something other than the current method for earning such.

It has been proposed with numerous options in the past. The super slams are nice, but most people that work for a living are not going to pay a high entry fee around here, unless they have a way above average hound, which most paid way to much for. You won't find 16 to fill a hunt from this area. Even the $150 entry probably won't fill. A 50-100 will come far closer to filling than any other, and with a 1 hour week night category, it would work much better in this area. JMO, but a well educated one!! Some will say if you want that, hunt one of the other KC's, and they do have programs that allows for it, but the rules and procedures seem to get in the way of folks enjoying the hunt they paid to enter. Every time we hold a @KC hunt, Folks come back mad because someone wanted to scratch them right off the bat about something silly. And to think that a panel can go back to the woods, even hours after the tree was questioned, and a determination on whether or nor someone was right or wrong, and possibly bar a handler? Well folks, it gets hot down in Georgia, and that @KC rule proves someone has been in the sun way to long.
UKC prides itself in giving hunters what they want, and in helping clubs survive as well. Give them week night 1 hour hunts with whatever titling program they desire, and it will help us all. Clubs, Hunters, and UKC...again, JMO.

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It says to me too many hunts and not enough customers.

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Unfortunately it's just a dying sport...

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Places to hunt are shrinking rapidly so hunting is shrinking. Pretty soon we will only be able to hunt in enclosres. Look at what happened to the fox hunters. Deer hunters have had to go out and lease hunting territory and "manage" it. Unfortunately, part of their management is stopping all coonhunting. With all of the new technology, coonhunting has become a very expensive sport. Young kids can't afford it. The problem is not with the hunts but with the # of coonhunters. The way to increase the hunt #'s is to increase the # of coonhunters period.

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The other kc just finished 6 nights of hunts here in michigan with entries of 60 to 90 dogs a night. Its all about money.

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As I said, you have to have a bunch of it to compete.

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Payed Handlers to win no matter what.

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Maybe that is the answer. Everyone should go out and find an aggresive, competitive young man and pay him to handle their dog. I wonder how many paid handlers will be at Autumn Oaks? I know that I had to hire Jared to handle my dog. He isn't very aggressive but he can be competitive. And he is all that I could afford.

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It says to me too many hunts and not enough customers.

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Payed Handlers to win no matter what.

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The problem in my area has nothing to do with UKC, their rules, or hunt format. A big part of the problem is the club's themselves.

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The problem in my area has nothing to do with UKC, their rules, or hunt format. A big part of the problem is the club's themselves.

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Only 2 or 3 hunts a month that I can hit that are under a 3 hour drive one way so there aren't alot of hunts in my area for UKC so again not driving that for a 2cent yellow win slip. Like others have said there just isn't enough incentive or return for my $$ in UKC. The 2 hunts I have went to had 9 dogs for a walker sectional and 5 dogs for a poor boy. Go to a week day $$ hunt draws at least 12 dog's. Not to hard to figure out the problem, but I guess UKC is happy with the $ they make on registrations and the performance program

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If clubs want the younger generation to show up and participate in the hunts 2 things need to happen.

1-The older club members need to be open and accepting to the younger generations. Just because it was done this way 20 years ago, doesn't mean it should always be done this way. Times change and if you can't change with them that's when things start to die out!

2-Trophies or plaques don't taste very good! It cost a good bit of $$ to train and run around to hunts to title your dog out. Cold, hard, green cash drives this world! Start paying out places depending on entry #s and you will see more show up. UKC has no rule in place that says a club can't award $$. Most clubs don't even give out trophies/plaques now, because they can't afford them. All you get is your win slip.

I know areas are different, but if the local clubs around me didn't have PKC hunts, they would all be closed. That's just how the hunts go around this area on the local club level.

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So, how many dogs will show up for the week night, 1 hr, $30 entry Mini Slams held during the week before AO. They sound just like what a lot of people are asking for.

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Harris - I agree with u 100% except on one point but like you said all areas are different. Our area is different than yours. Ive seen our club have both up's and downs through the years. We tried $KC and unfortunately it never took off. Not sure why prob many reasons but one being there wasnt but one other club doing them at the time and it was a long drive to that one club. You could go to any UKC hunt any given wknd all year long and not drive over 100 miles to the farthest one and its still that way today. If our club tried to survive on $KC we would have starved out. We would consider trying em again if we had more involvement .
We started giving out prizes a few years ago .... dog leads , decals, shirts, Feti cups etc etc but you know those are only $10-15 prizes and nobody really cares about $10-15 as thats nothing anymore. We just wanted to give away something . We still draw low numbers and still give out prizes even though we dont make that much profit after its all said and done. Club success has came in waves for us. Its not about the profit But we do have to make some money to operate on.

Guys if you dont have a youth hunter to mentor and take under your wings , Find one !! Show them the ropes teach them about the breed of your choice, etc etc , make it fun for him/her.

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I got a 9 year old son and a 14 year old cousin that I take hunting and they both enjoy pleasure hunting alot and love hide hunting even more. Do you really think a yellow win slip would make either one of them happy ??? I sure think a nice plaque, trophy, or even a nice ribbon to hang on the wall would give them a grin from ear to ear not to mention something that they will always remember when they look at it. Kids 16 and older they want gas $$ and date $$ back for what they spend at the hunts when they win

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I got a 9 year old son and a 14 year old cousin that I take hunting and they both enjoy pleasure hunting alot and love hide hunting even more. Do you really think a yellow win slip would make either one of them happy ??? I sure think a nice plaque, trophy, or even a nice ribbon to hang on the wall would give them a grin from ear to ear not to mention something that they will always remember when they look at it. Kids 16 and older they want gas $$ and date $$ back for what they spend at the hunts when they win

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You got that right lol

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we have a country boy that also hunts that owns a trophy n plaque bussiness and my uncle make plaques ,they are both cheaper than any place we have seen. pm me or call if u need more info. somethin needs to be done as we went to a Purina Event ,RQE and the "hunt winners" got plaques n trophys but they said the"show people " dont get anything...

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I completly agree..we take our boys,7 and 8 years old to UKC shows and Darik has made his own hound a Champion and they handed him a win slip. He is very honored and appreciated them ,but trophies or a plaque would be nice. They hand them out to the hunt winners and bench show entry fees are not much cheaper than the night hunts.

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Qualified for UKC World 2017
Won his first 4 Shows in a row
Made Champion at 11 months
Qualified for the Illinois Govenors Cup 2017
Owned & Handled by 10 yr old Lil Darik
Titus has been found!!! 4 hours north of us. Dariks Happy Again!
God Is Great!!
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The problem in my area has nothing to do with UKC, their rules, or hunt format. A big part of the problem is the club's themselves.

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