Mike Knuckols
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Re: Rock threw a a gritty hound in almost
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Originally posted by cripple creek
every litter. several that I hunted with could and would today be considered mean. Just like the Rat dogs today, you needed to know how to train them. I think he was one of the first to throw a lot of tree dogs and really overall balanced dog, but you didnt have to wait on them to be 2 years old to start treeing. Most other studs in his era through some good some bad based on the female, but Rock could be bred to a brood female and throw balanced coon dogs.
I liked Radar more than rock himself because he threw tremendous hounds in almost all his litters. He could make up for a bad female as well and throw whole litters of coondogs from average females.
He was what I called a prepotent stud, which means he throws himself or better in all his litters. My experience in breeding these walkers and I have been doing it for way over thirty years is that the female generally throws about 60 % or better of the traits in the pups no matter what stud they are bred to. However the few studs I have seen where the male throws more of the genetics traits in the pups than the female was Spring Creek Rock, Spring Creek Radar, Sackett Jr. and Rat Attack. Their DNA was so strong you could see the traits several generations down. You had to actually breed the traits out.
Ill give you a case in point. Houses Clint threw some nice dogs. He even threw the immortal houses lipper, but he had to be bred to just the right lineage of a female to get exceptional results. I saw him bred to one of the best natural and most complete honest coondogs that ever lived who was strong, strong finley river bred and the entire litter was a complete bust. Non of them could tree a coon at any age.
She was later bred to a finley river bred dog and threw generations of reproducing males and females that are the backbones of a well respected kennel still operating over 20 years later.
One of the studs listed above bred to this female would have at least thrown a majority of outstanding pups from this same cross.
The one thing that is a missing question in this equation and conversation on Rock is this: Does freezing the semen do something to the DNA structure and change the reproduction qualites of their offspring.
Limo was a case study in this. He was bred to several females and only a handful of nice dogs were produced from it. The Lipper semen that produced Cade and TJ's Stylish lipper only time will prove if their offspring can reproduce.
Old Rock threw dogs that reproduced dogs that could reproduce.
Lipper threw dogs that produced outstanding dogs, you could find reproducing studs several generations down the line but Limo couldnt do it and Cade should have done it and he is almost 11 and you dont see a book full of studs from him.
You see my question here?
I am not knocking anyones dogs, its just the jury is still out on is can the frozen semen produce dogs that show grandsons and great grandsons being nice reproducers.
Thats my 2 cents worth for what that is worth.
We can only experiment and time will tell. Its worth it if someone has the money to do it.
Im not debating at all but I have a little experience with a stud out of Cade . Paulding Forrest Bubba . He is owned by Arlen Walker / Conrad Fryar . He was at my home for a year and is a pretty nice old hound . Conrad has him now . He wasn't bred much until I had him and he was bred to 4 females . All of these are under a year except 1 litter and they have the Lipper type mouth looks and start very easy . There are at least 3 from each litter that are pretty good , time will tell . House Ranger was out of Cade and wasn't bred much but threw some good pups . Granted all the females I bred to Bubba were very nice but I think if Bubba can get some attention he will make his mark . Nowadays I cant imagine anyone wanting to buy a pup pay all the fees and spend the time on a pup if both parents aren't proven . On another note Im not sure where Drum is now but I also have some from him that are extra special . Insane Frosted Train should be a great reproducer as well
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