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Just let them figure it out before i get there. I don't classify face barking as aggressive behavior. There just letting you know to get outta there space. But some people will try and scratch you for anything.

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Not going to come across many elite level/ world class dogs that don't face bark some when treed with another dog. Tree dogs are going to face bark a little. Most of the good ones are independent and don't have a lot of issues. But when an issue arises,it's usually a case of a dog that can't take any pressure. There's a huge difference between an aggressive tree dog and one that does a little face barking. A decent houndsman can decifer the two pretty easily.

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Not going to come across many elite level/ world class dogs that don't face bark some when treed with another dog. Tree dogs are going to face bark a little. Most of the good ones are independent and don't have a lot of issues. But when an issue arises,it's usually a case of a dog that can't take any pressure. There's a huge difference between an aggressive tree dog and one that does a little face barking. A decent houndsman can decifer the two pretty easily.

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Wrong.
Our opinions are not important the rule is specific aggression and interference. One or the other is not enough. Facebarking alone MUST cause a dog to be interfered with before you may scratch.
And no one has advocated for a facebarking dog we have just stated as to what the rule is.

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Just let them figure it out before i get there. I don't classify face barking as aggressive behavior. There just letting you know to get outta there space. But some people will try and scratch you for anything.

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Judge mine will meet you off the tree and oh yeah he face barks really bad but he will not interfere with other dogs. I broke him from the interference problem. Hahaha..... Tell me how a dog can face bark without interfering with another hound trying to tree...the face barking is the aggression and the hound receiving it is being interfered with. Equation complete. In the box or on the leash no interference. At the tree you have both Aggression and interference!

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Judge mine will meet you off the tree and oh yeah he face barks really bad but he will not interfere with other dogs. I broke him from the interference problem. Hahaha..... Tell me how a dog can face bark without interfering with another hound trying to tree...the face barking is the aggression and the hound receiving it is being interfered with. Equation complete. In the box or on the leash no interference. At the tree you have both Aggression and interference!

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The question we need to ask ourselves is...what type of dog is a face barker?

Some will say it is a dog that wants its space...

I see it as a jealous dog hoarding the tree and wants the coon for itself...it is also aggressive behavior...IMO the dog should be focused on treeing a coon and not on face barking...

Work hard at training the dog to not be a face barker is ok...and one day you decide to breed that dog and wonder why you have more face barking in the next generation...

When trying to breed on the ragged edge of perfection...chances are you will fall on each side of that line with the pups...
Who wants to breed that close to the negative?

Rules should take this into consideration and look at the big picture....modify rules that promote the better dogs...

I will not hunt a face barker...they can ruin a pup as well...

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Mr. Smith the dog that leaves due to the face barking is only reacting to the interference. The rule does not require a dog to leave the tree. There can be many different reactions. That's why the rule states to scratch the aggressor if known. The rule does not require any certain reaction...The rule is clear but I see there is split opinions. I think we should lean to the side of caution always when talking about any kind of consistent aggression by a hound.

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Mr. Smith the dog that leaves due to the face barking is only reacting to the interference. The rule does not require a dog to leave the tree. There can be many different reactions. That's why the rule states to scratch the aggressor if known. The rule does not require any certain reaction...The rule is clear but I see there is split opinions. I think we should lean to the side of caution always when talking about any kind of consistent aggression by a hound.

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The question we need to ask ourselves is...what type of dog is a face barker?

Some will say it is a dog that wants its space...

I see it as a jealous dog hoarding the tree and wants the coon for itself...it is also aggressive behavior...IMO the dog should be focused on treeing a coon and not on face barking...

Work hard at training the dog to not be a face barker is ok...and one day you decide to breed that dog and wonder why you have more face barking in the next generation...

When trying to breed on the ragged edge of perfection...chances are you will fall on each side of that line with the pups...
Who wants to breed that close to the negative?

Rules should take this into consideration and look at the big picture....modify rules that promote the better dogs...

I will not hunt a face barker...they can ruin a pup as well...

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I'm not a competition hunter.... but boy I'd be pretty disappointed if I went to the trouble of going to a hunt and a dog was in my cast that was face-barking my dog at the tree. Sounds like the general consensus is that it is not considered aggressive behavior until it results in something else... which seems odd to me.

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Back in the early 90's I had a dog that was pretty radical at the tree. He jacked the tree pretty bad sometimes. I had no idea how to break this. Anyway, I took him to a RQE to try to win my cast and possibly get a 1st. We cut the dogs and they went just about 75 yards and all 4 blew up on a tree. Well, a few seconds later; you could tell there was friction. Honestly, at this point; I wasn't worried. My dog's voice hadn't changed. He WASN'T involved. But when we got to the tree, he was face barking. The judge scratched him for attempting to fight. I never questioned the decision. However, when the judge started telling me how to return to the clubhouse; I refused to leave. I was going to watch to see how this circus turned out. I wasn't sure the right dog was scratched and I knew that not enough dogs were scratched but mine looked guilty. Long story short; about an hour or so into the hunt; 2 of the remaining 3 got into a battle. They weren't blowing...they were for real fighting. But, they quit before we got close enough to see what happened. There was no doubt which 2 were involved. But nothing was ever done. I probably owe one of those guys an apology. For about a year, I thought his dog was the bad one. Turns out, there was a female on the cast and she was bad to the bone. It was evidently her that started both scuffles. I think she grabbed mine on the first tree and blew his mind.
Should my dog have been scratched?? At the time, I thought so but I'm not sure now. I didn't like his actions but wonder now if he was only trying to protect himself after being attacked.

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How can any dog owner not think that face barking is aggressive?

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Have y'all never watched any "sporting event", football, basketball, soccer, drag race or whatever? Is "trash talking" being aggresive? How about just arguing period. At what point does it become a "foul"? Every sport has "face barkers" and the same rules to deal with them. Only when it becomes a fight or is deemed interference is a flag thrown.

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What about face barking handlers? Nobody wants to hunt with them but we have to. They can only be scratched when there is an actual fight or a physical threat. You can't scratch a handler for face barking although it is aggresive behavior. Aggressive handlers try to intimidate other handlers. Aggressive dogs are no different. It isn't right but we have to put up with them or quit/leave.

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Judge mine will meet you off the tree and oh yeah he face barks really bad but he will not interfere with other dogs. I broke him from the interference problem. Hahaha..... Tell me how a dog can face bark without interfering with another hound trying to tree...the face barking is the aggression and the hound receiving it is being interfered with. Equation complete. In the box or on the leash no interference. At the tree you have both Aggression and interference!

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Seems like we have a bunch of dogs that voted democrat. Maybe instead of going to hunt they should go to there safe place. If your worried of ole precious getting butt hurt teach them to go get there own tree. Same old story someone always looking for away to eliminate the competition.

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Seems like we have a bunch of dogs that voted democrat. Maybe instead of going to hunt they should go to there safe place. If your worried of ole precious getting butt hurt teach them to go get there own tree. Same old story someone always looking for away to eliminate the competition.

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None of that changes the fact that face barking is aggression.

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