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Originally posted by The Seeker
Some suggestions : Make HTX equal to NT CH in prestige.
Change inspector requirement at least 2 inspectors for every 3 passes instead of different one each pass (will help smaller clubs.)
After dogs makes HTX1, dog will be failed for off game, immediately.
1 hour time limit. (no overtime unless treed during with the hour, like night hunt)
Drop the requirement inspector cannot have bred, trained,or housed the dog.
Inspector and handler or owner of dog are not regular hunting partners.
This is the requirement that killed the HTX hunts at our club as we quickly run out of inspectors that passed a dog that met the above requirement and if (as at the end) only 4 or 5 dogs would show up we couldn't meet the UKC's requirement.
Will this lead to more cheating? Maybe but when 2 people go to the woods there is that chance and if people are going to cheat they will. The night hunts now have cheating and there are sometimes 6 or 7 people present.
To me if you have to cheat either you or your dog aren't much. JMO!

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Our club held HTX test every month this summer. Everyone seemed to enjoy them, and found out they wasn't as easy as you would think. We started off with 14 dogs at our first event and by the end of summer it dropped down to 5. The only problem I had was trying to manage who could inspect who. I think there should be a little slack on how many passes you can receive from the same inspector. Its hard enuff for a guide to put four dogs in four different hunting spots, then have to go back to the club house to change people because somebody might of had a pass by a certain person.

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I agree 100%. The same thing happened at our club. Started out strong and then died down as people earned the HTX on their dogs.

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I believe that the value of this program to the people that enjoy it is much more then the chance and worry that some one will CHEAT to get his dog a HTX degree. I believe the rule changes suggested will help to keep the program running. I do believe it shouldn't be tied to the night hunts in any way as they are 2 separate programs. JMO!

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Lots of good ideas being throw'n around. But still need a way to make the HTX title mean more to folks. That's the biggest down fall of it. If it was held in the same regard as a Nite Hunt title that would fix 90% of the problems. Attendance would come up, more clubs would hold them .....

IMO. This is the key to its longevity as a Coonhound Event.

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Our club has had probably between 30 or 40 of these, started out pretty good but attendence seems to fizzle out once most of the members get their 3 passes. It would be alot easier on the clubs if they could send guys out in pairs to inspect eachothers dogs.
The draw for me was to be able to get a dog out during quiet time without worrying about gettin pinched.

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Every year I try to make Redbone days as that is the breed I follow and hunt. Why don't we push for a HTX hunt a few days before a breed days? I know of some who try to get there a few days early and pleasure hunt before the event. if we could have a HTX hunt it would give those who might want to look at a stud dog or a female you may be interested in getting a pup from. This would give people a chance to see and hear the dogs voice, how it trees etc. on its own. some of the bigger hunts have the slam hunts a few days before, why not a HTX hunt. it wouldn't have to be at the same club , but like the slams a neighboring club. a person looking at the dog might be able to judge it also, leaves are normally on so finding a coon isn't a sure thing. just an idea.

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I have found judges are harder on dog and hunter in some cases than night hunt judges as they are keenly focused on dog and owner.

In my thoughts they are a good thing that just needs a few tweaks.

Have a good night, Jeff

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From an outsider looking in, based on the majority of the responses, it looks like the biggest pitfall is a limited audience. Once a HTX certificate has been achieved, the audience seems to become even more limited. I think it is unrealistic to even think about trying to make a HTX certificate have the same meaning as a Nite Hunt Title/Chamionship degree since it is earned with no competition. Maybe a focus on attracting a larger audience, & maintaining that audience? I don't have a clue how to even begin going about doing that. I personally have no interest in the program or hold any merit in regard to any dog having a HTX certificate. If I am interested in any dog, I am going to go & see the dog do its thing with my own eyes. That being said, I've got some grandchildren growing up. If by chance one of them would be interested in HTX, I would gladly take one of them to participate in one.

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I agree 100% with the suggestions of the seeker and slowpoke, but I also still stand behind my suggestion of having to aquire the HTX title before making gr nite. I think before reaching the highest title in UKC it would be sensible to make a dog prove it not only can get it done in a pack it can also do it on it's own. I've read posts on here before suggesting thar even gr nite title is cheapened today because it'd's too obtainable, this would just be one more hurdle on the way to reaching the top. If you have'nt aquired your HTX before making nt ch you could still be competing for points towards gr nt but the title of gr. would not be awarded until the dog was nitech HTX. jmo

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HTX before Grand Nite Champion = Perfect.

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HTX before Grand Night title seems to me like putting the cart before the horse.

I think it would make more sense to have an HTX degree before being eligible to compete in a UKC licensed event.

I say this because a dog should really be able to tree its own coon before it is ever put in a competition event. Once it gets pretty good at treeing its own coon, then you can put it up against the rest of the coonhunting community to see just how your coon treeing machine stacks up against the other hounds around town.

That way everybody benefits from the additional requirements to earn a night hunt title. Well everybody that is except the dog owner. I don't believe the majority of folks raising puppies are using the HTX degree as their guiding light (so to speak) for choosing their desired stud dog. I know I don't, LOL sorry but it's true.

Again JMO, but that is how I see it. Good hunting Guys & Gals!!

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HTX before Grand Night title seems to me like putting the cart before the horse.

I think it would make more sense to have an HTX degree before being eligible to compete in a UKC licensed event.

I say this because a dog should really be able to tree its own coon before it is ever put in a competition event. Once it gets pretty good at treeing its own coon, then you can put it up against the rest of the coonhunting community to see just how your coon treeing machine stacks up against the other hounds around town.

That way everybody benefits from the additional requirements to earn a night hunt title. Well everybody that is except the dog owner. I don't believe the majority of folks raising puppies are using the HTX degree as their guiding light (so to speak) for choosing their desired stud dog. I know I don't, LOL sorry but it's true.

Again JMO, but that is how I see it. Good hunting Guys & Gals!!

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Make it a championship degree. Put on the papers htx champion then grand htx champion. I personally have never been in a hunt test but plan on it in the future, if my pups turn out lol. I agree on having the htx before entering night hunts it would definitely give the nite champion and grand night titles more prestige. IMO

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If you make the HTX easier to get by easing inspector requirements and loosening rules, then the title means less. If it means less, fewer people will respect or pursue it.

I wouldn't link the HTX to nite hunt titles. You will cost entries, in one venue or the other. There are dogs that show up at both HTX and nite hunts who can't tree their own coon....

Overall, I think the HTX program is running well and doing what it was intended to do. Its not particularly hard to get but not just a matter of showing up, either. You put your dog out there by itself and there isn't much room for excuses. Either the dog can tree a coon, or not.

Like a lot of clubs we've seen it start out strong and then attendance taper off to almost nothing. Qualified inspectors are harder to get. One change I'm considering more at the club level is to require a person to inspect a dog for each time they have their dog inspected. IMO, everyone who comes, even those from out of the area, should plan to inspect a dog, as well as have their dog inspected. It puts a burden on a club to have guys show up from out of the area and expect to get their dog inspected early and then go home. IMO, all prospective entrants need to contribute as much as the club members do.

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I think anyone that says you should have to have the htx title before you can hunt in a hunt is cutting the head off of coon hunting some people don't have place to hunt some go to hunts just so they have a place to hunt what about the youth there going to have to htx there dog before they can go have fun at a hunt with there dad come on guys if your so worried about the htx being on there then only breed to a dog that has the tittle of htx there is nothing else to worry about if people are going to cheat you are not going to change that they will find a way on the htx hunts then be right there in the nite hunts but theres not enough htx hunts to even think about trying that and I think ukc would lose a lot of money and members and hunters in the long run and I think most of you all know it too

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I realize you should never say never but I can tell you at this time, I personally have no intention of ever requiring someone to participate in one event before they can participate in another. Not Nite Champion before you can bench show. Not HTX before you can Grand Niite. Etc. etc. We want to provide choices and opportunities for people to participate in whatever they enjoy. It's one of those things that people are opinionated about but I don't see it happening.

On the other hand, I do agree with many of the suggestions and appreciate the feedback. I'm confident there are changes we can make regarding the inspection requirements and also putting more emphasis on the title. This type of format will only become more popular in the future. I firmly believe that.

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I personally love the HTX hunts. They are more laid back, and centered more towards hunting, rather than competing. I think 1 way to increase the attendance of the HTX hunts would be to add the title to the reproducing percentage. This may have already been mention, if so, I apologize.

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The more events people enjoy the better it is be it competion hunts, HTX, field trials, swims, shows and any combo of all. In Illinois we are often seeing many different combonitions of all the above. Competion gets tougher all the time. That is a credit to dog people and the dogs. Me and my son enjoy it and traveling to different places to swim and field trial.

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If you make the HTX easier to get by easing inspector requirements and loosening rules, then the title means less. If it means less, fewer people will respect or pursue it.

I wouldn't link the HTX to nite hunt titles. You will cost entries, in one venue or the other. There are dogs that show up at both HTX and nite hunts who can't tree their own coon....

Overall, I think the HTX program is running well and doing what it was intended to do. Its not particularly hard to get but not just a matter of showing up, either. You put your dog out there by itself and there isn't much room for excuses. Either the dog can tree a coon, or not.

Like a lot of clubs we've seen it start out strong and then attendance taper off to almost nothing. Qualified inspectors are harder to get. One change I'm considering more at the club level is to require a person to inspect a dog for each time they have their dog inspected. IMO, everyone who comes, even those from out of the area, should plan to inspect a dog, as well as have their dog inspected. It puts a burden on a club to have guys show up from out of the area and expect to get their dog inspected early and then go home. IMO, all prospective entrants need to contribute as much as the club members do.

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All dogs should have an htx title before they enter a register hunt.This would get rid of the me too dogs that can't tree a coon by themselves.There would be better quality hounds out there.I would breed to a hound with an htx title quicker than one without. Just my opinon.But I know,its all about money.

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