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Definition of Split Tree

What is the definition of a split tree?

Hunting in a cast last week 2 dogs were declared treed as we arrived the dogs were treeing on separate trees that were about 10 yards apart but the limbs obviously touched.

Do you treat it as one tree or go ahead and declare it as a split tree?

Any clarification would be helpful.

Thanks

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If the limbs touch, it is all one tree.

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One tree

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Split tree

So dogs are ten feet apart one has a coon one has a possum same tree you minus both for treeing possum

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Plus em up Mr Spencer!!

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Thatís like saying dog trees a slick tree but limbs touch the next tree over and it has a coon in it most guys try to plus it what if thereís a possum or house cat next tree over that the limbs touch are you gonna minus them for it or just say circle it itís a big leafy tree

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Dennis thatís why they placed you by the owl. Being older and wiser than the rest of us

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Rule says that if the limbs touch, it is all one tree. You don't change the definition based on what is or isn't in the tree.

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Sir your correct wasnít arguing just throwing out a what if

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Thatís like saying dog trees a slick tree but limbs touch the next tree over and it has a coon in it most guys try to plus it what if thereís a possum or house cat next tree over that the limbs touch are you gonna minus them for it or just say circle it itís a big leafy tree


This is not as complicated as you are trying to make it

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10yds is 30 feet apart! Split tree

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10yds is 30 feet apart! Split tree


Don't matter if the 10ft or 90ft apart if they touch its one tree.

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Just pullin some feathers but with that logic a dog could be freed on the east end of a hedge row that goes 150 yards to the west the coon could be 80 yards west of the dog and youíd still plus it if all trees touched. Thatís a little out there

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So now were plussing flying coons .....lol

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Just pullin some feathers but with that logic a dog could be freed on the east end of a hedge row that goes 150 yards to the west the coon could be 80 yards west of the dog and youíd still plus it if all trees touched. Thatís a little out there

No that's building a bridge. Some of these guys like to think they work as engineers.

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If its 30 feet apart here 90% aren't gonna be touching! U gotta use common sense

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Exactly the point I was trying to make there is a length limit and I personally think 10 yards is to far but itís only my opinion not the rule

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If its 30 feet apart here 90% aren't gonna be touching! U gotta use common sense
if there not touching then itís not considered same tree!! Not hard if limbs touch same tree how hard is it?

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Common sense is lacking these days.

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1st of all the ď judge ď needs to make the call if itís one tree or split tree before scoring it . Accept his call or If not then call for a vote .

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Re: Definition of Split Tree

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What is the definition of a split tree?

Hunting in a cast last week 2 dogs were declared treed as we arrived the dogs were treeing on separate trees that were about 10 yards apart but the limbs obviously touched.

Do you treat it as one tree or go ahead and declare it as a split tree?

Any clarification would be helpful.

Thanks




Just because limbs touch, doesn't always mean it should be scored as one tree. You won't find such a rule in the book. What UKC has said is; a coon may be scored in the next tree over "if" there is a legit crossover. Common sense must come in play.

If you score it like you would on a Wednesday night, if you were trying out the dog to buy, you'll probably have the right answer.

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Oh my goodness, are you saying that even if the limbs touch, a coon might not be able to cross over? Or if the limbs don't touch, a coon might be able to cross over? This is another example of the rule leaving a lot of grey area to argue over. Wouldn't it be a lot more black and white if the rule said that if the trees have limbs that touch, it is scored as one tree.

I realize that UKC has left a lot of "interpretation" in the rules to give handlers the leeway to use "honor" and common sense. Now this is great theoretically and sounds good on paper but in the real world of comp hunting it causes a lot of problems.

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Judges decision

Judges decision ! It takes a majority of the cast votes to over turn it .

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Oh my goodness, are you saying that even if the limbs touch, a coon might not be able to cross over? Or if the limbs don't touch, a coon might be able to cross over? This is another example of the rule leaving a lot of grey area to argue over. Wouldn't it be a lot more black and white if the rule said that if the trees have limbs that touch, it is scored as one tree.

I realize that UKC has left a lot of "interpretation" in the rules to give handlers the leeway to use "honor" and common sense. Now this is great theoretically and sounds good on paper but in the real world of comp hunting it causes a lot of problems.




You must still be "camping". lol.

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I always like when people say "Just use common sense" That's like saying it's easy to knock a tree down on your property, just use your bulldozer. Not everybody has a bulldozer.

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