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It can be done. Larry Meeks barred a whole crew for a stunt they pulled in another KC.

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quote:
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What I would recommend is a narrow policy that those guilty of the most extreme circumstances that instead of competing for customers the various kc's actually communicate with each other for the better of the sport.


I agree. If you do something bad enough to get barred for life, the other KCs need to take a long hard look at that person.

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Barred

I did not advocate barring in all KC`S for every case, read my posts! I advocate barring a handler in ALL REGESTRIES for CHEATING and ASSAULT.. Zero tolerance policy for those violations would put a stop to those actions. Money does seem to bring out the bad side in some people, but not all people. Serious violations need serious punishment! Don't confuse the matter with an honest mistake, we all know the difference. A Lawyer disbarred in one state can not practice law in another state. The rationale that the offense was not committed in another state is useless. Dave

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quote:
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There was a 16 year old kid barred for 6 months for questioning a call at a Youth World Hunt last weekend. He lost the question and was barred for 6 months. So do you want to bar this same kid from all KCs for questioning a call?


A KID was barred cause he questioned a call ???

There must be more to this story.......cause
thats just plain ol bad business for any KC ..

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Re: Logic

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Tar, by your logic, if I get a speeding ticket from the Louisiana State Police then I should receive one from each state. It's going to be hard to bar/suspend an individual for something they haven't done. The big payouts at the hunts today are causing a big part of the problem. When people can go hunt and win more at a big hunt than they make in a year they are going to do whatever it takes to win. But, when you have a dying sport things have to be done to draw interest.

What we are saying is If you get a DWI and loose your driving licenses in Louisiana donít come to NC and drive on my roads!

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Who took a beating at a coonhunt? When did it happen? How do you see the video? This is unreal.

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Who took a beating at a coonhunt? When did it happen? How do you see the video? This is unreal.

A guy in OK this past week during a hunt and there is no video. The video is a different situation and was not during a hunt just differences settled between 2 coonhunters the old fashioned way.

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quote:
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A KID was barred cause he questioned a call ???

There must be more to this story.......cause
thats just plain ol bad business for any KC ..



Same rules apply for kids as adult World Championships.
You lose a challenge , youíre barred for 6 months

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quote:
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Same rules apply for kids as adult World Championships.
You lose a challenge , youíre barred for 6 months





So you are saying now you believe the decision was right ?


Hey I know when Sombody acts out they get an expense paid vacation at Wild willies he seems to understand that type of behavior.



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Don't young handlers have to learn lessons just like the older ones? I wonder if I could send my wife up to Willy's for a month?

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quote:
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You lose a challenge , youíre barred for 6 months


Is this a new disciplinary being implemented ?

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quote:
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So you are saying now you believe the decision was right ?


Hey I know when Sombody acts out they get an expense paid vacation at Wild willies he seems to understand that type of behavior.



Tar



Not at all. Iím just stating the current rules. I donít agree with it though. Nobody was acting out in this situation. The panel decision just didnít go his way so he lost the challenge. In a certain KC , if you lose the challenge when a panel is sent to the woods, you are barred for 6 months.

In this situation he challenged a circle tree on a bush that was 6 foot tall and 20 feet wide that you could walk through. The panel came back to the spot and found a hole in the ground near the bush but not under the bush and went with the circle call. The problem is, the original call was a circle tree based on the bush. No hole was seen at that time. So I donít see how they could circle the points for a totally different thing. The original question was whether this bush was a legitimate circle or not.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ahallada
[B In a certain KC , if you lose the challenge when a panel is sent to the woods, you are barred for 6.
Thanks ... I wasn't aware of that .

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You read Jennifer's post and you will realize why it was done that way us that live here it's no surprise and that's all I got to say about thaaaaaaat lol. Long as nobody try's to take my recliner away from me ........... We good !!




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Tar

Is this the same recliner that Mrs, Tar wants to give me? She said something about getting more work out of you when that recliner left there! Lol. Dave

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Been picking tomatoes and cucumbers I know what's for lunch lol.



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Those guys at that "KC" put on one of the best youth hunts ever seen!!!! I thank them all for the hard work and effort they put into this hunt.

The "bush" was a plum thicket with briars, 50ft x 30ft if not bigger, you could hear her but could not see her at all. Landon crawled in after her. If the other dog would have been there and the judge minused it, guess who would have been hollering then!!!!

They told the boy what would happen if the panel went out and he lost the question, but he was being coached by a "professional handler". If the boy would not have been influenced he would not have gotten the six months.


The one that influenced him should have got the six months

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Why don't they refuse to except their entry. If enough clubs sent whom ever these people are, a letter telling them they are not welcome at their club so don't show up because you have a reputation as a trouble maker, we're not accepting your entry. They do it in the beagle trails. Copy UKC on the letters and it goes in that persons file.

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If that's the case I stand corrected. But you being from Oklahoma when you hear the words Ada Oklahoma nothing surprises you. That's why their hunts are gone if they hadent had $27,000 donated to them by sponsors they wouldn't look so generous. Two years ago I donated heavily myself and judged all three nights paid for my own motel and food after seeing things that I don't agree about I only give anybody 3 forgive and forgets they used them all.


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Is ada where the fight happened

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It can be done. Larry Meeks barred a whole crew for a stunt they pulled in another KC.


Larry barred several people that everyone knew were cheats, but that was a different time and Larry only had to answer to himself. UKC is much, much larger than the other 2 Kc's. They have layers of management and lawyers. Its the reason they are so slow at making any kind of change.

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Is ada where the fight happened




No

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Tar

When would be a good time for my "chair hauler" to come by and pick up my recliner Mrs. Tar gave me? Lol. Dave

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Not right now kids took me to eat Chinese buffet I need it lol.


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Come on!!

quote:
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There was a 16 year old kid barred for 6 months for questioning a call at a Youth World Hunt last weekend. He lost the question and was barred for 6 months. So do you want to bar this same kid from all KCs for questioning a call?


No heís talking about a guy having to worry about getting his ass kicked because the other guy got pissed off. I wonít competition hunt because we do this as a family. So many idiots out there now. I could care less if there was another competition hunt held. I would like to go but heck I took my family a couple years ago to Autum Oaks and seen people standing around smoking dope. Wonít be back for that.

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