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MTCoonHunter
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Sporting or not?

I hear a lot about what type of hunting is sporting and what is not. Prime example: coon hunting with dogs is sporting but spotlighting is not.

What do you consider sporting (and why) and what do you consider unsporting (and why)?

I've picked apart these questions regarding deer hunting and coon hunting so I'm curious what other people think.

Is there a difference between spotlighting coons as opposed to spotlighting coyotes/porcupines/etc. (and why)?

I'd love to hear other people's thoughts.

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How can u even consider spotlighting as "HUNTING"?

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How can u even consider spotlighting as "HUNTING"?


im with ya on the one

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spotlighting isn't sporting. i think people who do it should never be allowed to hunt again. with one exception. If your family and kids are hungry and you don't have money to buy food then by all means pull out the gun and light to go grocery shopping. that's what animals are here for. what really gets me is people who shoot em and leave em laying. thrill killers are what they are called i guess. even had a guy last year spotlight and shoot a ladys horse.

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It's not a sport when one team doesn't stand a chance ... the coon can get away from the hounds .. but not a spotlight and crosshairs.

Shooting a coon out to dogs is not a sport .. unless you also shoot the dogs in the gut or foot and find a coon nearly their weight.

Sport means all parties involved are there voluntarily and having fun .. so really , hound hunting may not qualify unless the local coon are treated well and don't mind the excersize.

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Larry Atherton
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It's not a sport when one team doesn't stand a chance ... the coon can get away from the hounds .. but not a spotlight and crosshairs.

Shooting a coon out to dogs is not a sport .. unless you also shoot the dogs in the gut or foot and find a coon nearly their weight.

Sport means all parties involved are there voluntarily and having fun .. so really , hound hunting may not qualify unless the local coon are treated well and don't mind the excersize.



I respectfully disagree. Dogs are at a disadvantage with coons right off the bat. A coon has the intelligence equal with a rhesus monkey. Dogs are far down the scale from coons in that department. Add to that if scenting conditions are not favorable that would favor the coon. Then there is the whole issue that the coon is typically more familiar with its home range than the dog. The coon knows were the holes, dens, and crossovers are.

As far as sporting, I think the above is the wrong definition to consider. The definition of sporting chance fits much better. It's a fair chance.

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As Jerry Clower said, "no matter what, give it a sportin chance."

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Larry you quoted me correctly when i said " the coon CAN get away from the hounds " ... and then went into more detail with it .. I don't see a disagreement... but , the coon can't dodge bullets or spotlights.

The definition of sporting was made by hunters .. if you asked the coon how sporting it is then you might get a different answer.

When one side makes the rules and definitions ... then their meaning has little value.

Hunting is not a sport , it's a one sided hobby where the hounds and game animals serve our selfish purposes ... that's just the truth , using nice sounding names for stuff don't change it .

That's why our rights to do so are dwindling .. cocking , hunting , fishing, rodeo ... we make it sound sporting or fair , but those on the outside don't buy it because it's not the truth.

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it can all be sporting if done right.... I love spot lighting wildlife but I leave the gun at home

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When the statement running deer with dogs is not very sporting came up at lunch a while back i explained that it was a whole lot more sporting than the frozen food aisle. I don't hunt for sport i hunt for groceries. I coon hunt just because. If i got to explain it you wouldn't understand any way.

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MTCoonHunter
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quote:
Originally posted by Dogwhisper
How can u even consider spotlighting as "HUNTING"?


That's exactly the type of question that this thread is about. I had a coworker who was so proud to tell me about how many coon he could spotlight and shoot in one night. When I told him how unsporting that was, his response was "why? I find the coon myself whereas you sit there and wait for the dogs to find the coon for you."

Sometimes I'm reminded of when I was a kid, and someone would say "why are you mad at me?" and the girls would say "if you don't know, then I'm not telling you!"

My vocabulary is "why," followed by step-by-step logical reasons. I'm just not a very emotional person, "just cuz" never has meant much to me (which at times has certainly been a pit-fall).

I'm enjoying these posts, some nice thoughts and reasons are being shown.

(Dogwhisper, if that question was specifically pointed at me--I haven't stated my opinion at all, just mimicking what others have said--I'm far more interested in other people's opinions than my own)

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Justin Jones
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nothing sporting about it

Unless you are going to catch them by hand with no lights, dogs, guns, boots or fancy hunting clothes there is nothing sproting about hunting any type of game. Now if it's just you and what you were born with verses the game you after. Then I would call it fair and equal. What is sporting about sitting in a tree with a gun, bow or any other type of weapon waiting for a deer to walk by? Nothing. Now go out and challenge a deer to fight bare fisted then you could call it sporting. There is nothing sporting about any type of hunting. I enjoy all different kinds of it and don't care what anyone else thinks about it. Sporting or not sporting. In the end dead is dead. It dont matter how it died end result is it is still dead. Yes I will kill every coon my dog trees. Yes I will shoot a small buck, button buck or doe. Yes I would shoot a pheasant on the ground. I like to hunt and I like to shoot. But more than that I like the time spent with my friends and family while doing these things together. I like to eat wild game and I like to share it with others.

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You'd walk your guts out here trying to spotlight a coon lol. I guess that's why I've never heard of anyone doing it around here.

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jtwigg
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Sporting

i thank the way i coon hunt is sporting i turn dog lose he trees coon i tell him good job go bak to truck im lucky if i shoot 20 coon a year out and i have lots of coon i just see no reason to shoot coon out there not worth that much anymore i go coonhntin because i loe to hear the dog run and tree not to kill the coon jmo

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Ty Ford
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Non sporting

Agree with justin jones. Absolutely nothing sporting about killing anything. Dead is dead and I can assure you the animal getting shot doesnt enjoy dying whether it's with a bright light or in the daytime. There are legal hunters and there are outlaws but no hunting would I consider sporting.

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Sporting, hunting, whatever you wanna call it is our God given right to continue harvesting whatever animal by whatever legal means necessary. Spotlighting, hounds, electronic calls, etc could be debated by anybody, especially an activist. Mainly because I believe our society as a whole is WEAK. Many folks that solely hunt big game for trophies are weak. Watch one cower down when an animal is not properly shot. They deserve a quick clean kill but death is UGLY in any form, be it fast or slow. In this case it's a by-product of success. But to most death of an animal is necessary nutrition. Most people sitting next to you at the restaurant want that steak but are thrilled they took no part in getting it from farm to table and don't even wanna know how it happens. Again, as I led off, God gave us dominion over the animals and beast of the Earth, we should respect them, conserve them, assure their future, then have at it. Whack em and stack em. Stand together or get out of the way.

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(Dogwhisper, if that question was specifically pointed at me--I haven't stated my opinion at all, just mimicking what others have said--I'm far more interested in other people's opinions than my own) [/B][/QUOTE]

No....... it wasn't pointed at U.

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Loaded Qestion

if iv understood the qestion right !
I think any realistic person knows what sport is , I haven’t taken gun with me to the woods since February, but iv took my hounds! the sport is the pursuit and the catch is the prize for handler and his hound just like fishing, you can catch it and eat it or release it either way it is sporting to me ......

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If ya wanna be more sportin about it...BUY A BLUETICK.

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dang

i aint even gonna post what i think after reading some of these post of what is supposed to be hunters

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sport suggests doing something for fun.
Not every coonhunting experience is for fun. sometimes it is for a purpose. some folks are out there to "harvest" furs, or to prevent damage to crops. shine 'em, trap 'em, tree 'em. Shoot one from a tree or 6. if you aren't doing it for sport it doesn't matter.
If you are after sport you leave the gun behind. If you do it for other reasons you bring it.

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