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ABC struck, treed in that order. Arrive at tree, C not there. Minused on tree. Arrives shortly, handled. Tree is scored circled. Does c strike get circled, or line through it, when he left tree?

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Philip here is the way I see it. The knowledgeable guys will wake up soon and correct me. I only get about 5% of the rules questions correct but I am 80% sure of my 5% on this one.

I will start with the end of your question and work backwards.

Your last sentence ask if Dog C gets circled or line through strike points when he left tree. I don't think the gets either for leaving tree. He gets his Tree Points misused and his strike is the same as it was and the scoring of the strike points will be determined by what he does with them.

If I am reading your question correctly you are saying he comes back into the tree after the judge and cast get there. You said the tree was minus. If that is the case he is handled and his strike Points Circled because rule 5 b is the one I think you use.
5(b) No dog to receive minus points for coming into tree after Judge arrives unless a coon is seen and the dogs treeing are awarded plus points.

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Well c was minused his tree points for leaving, tree scored circled. They said his strike had line through, I said, never heard of that. I thought circle, minus if coon seen. A line through would mean he couldn't be minus if coon seen?

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I am not sure where line through it comes in to play or why it was done. Maybe Joey or Jim will straighten me out. I think you have to take that scoring in parts. Leaves tree then his tree points are misused. He comes back to tree his strike points are dealt with by when the judge is there and how the tree is scored. It looks like it should be scored CIRCLE strike points to me.

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Bruce is correct.

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All you know is that the dog left (A) tree you don't know if it was that tree he came in to the tree after the judge arrived so no coon was seen you cannot minus his strike but you cannot give him circle because he came in late draw a line through strike that way it cannot be used for or against him later jmo.



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Circle is correct, this is how I see it, deleting strike applies in these situations:

A. Cast is at a 2 minus, 2circle vote (every thing deleted)

B. Dogs trailing when hunt time runs out

C. Judge/Cast had to call timeout

D. Dog treed on previously scored tree

E. When dog comes into a tree it's been shut out on

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His strike is circled using the rule Bruce quoted above.

No dog, NONE, not one standing on his head, not one barking, not one turning flips, no matter what any dog that comes into a tree AFTER the judge arrives gets their strike circled UNLESS the coon is seen AND the dogs treeing are awarded plus points.

You can't use any other rules because you have a rule written that applies specifically to this situation so that is the rule you have to use.

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Tar you might need another cup of coffee this morning lol

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rip
[B]His strike is circled using the rule Bruce quoted above.

No dog, NONE, not one standing on his head, not one barking, not one turning flips, no matter what any dog that comes into a tree AFTER the judge arrives gets their strike circled UNLESS the coon is seen AND the dogs treeing are awarded plus points.

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Would you like to get beat by a strike circle ?
Rule 5 I only way he can gain with his strike if he trees elsewhere. All dogs are struck and treed and time is up he is shut out on that tree unless the coon is seen delete his strike.


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Tar got it right!!

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Would you like to get beat by a strike circle ?
Rule 5 I only way he can gain with his strike if he trees elsewhere. All dogs are struck and treed and time is up he is shut out on that tree unless the coon is seen delete his strike.


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[QUOTE]Originally posted by yadkintar
Would you like to get beat by a strike circle ?
Rule 5 I only way he can gain with his strike if he trees elsewhere. All dogs are struck and treed and time is up he is shut out on that tree unless the coon is seen delete his strike.


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How are you getting that any dog was shut out? Are you really a MOH?

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Donnie all dogs are struck and treed time is up you know the dog left a tree but you don't know if it was that one he is shut out on that tree yes he was struck but he quit his track and arrived after the judge got there actually far as I am concerned you are doing him a favor deleting his strike ! If he was my dog I would withdraw him and warm him up a little jmo.


Jim you going to reward him for quitting his track ? If that circle strike beat you on a tiebreaker how would you feel ?

Well you can set there 12 hours at those hunts if your so smart Jim !!



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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Philip
ABC struck, treed in that order. Arrive at tree, C not there. Minused on tree. Arrives shortly, handled. Tree is scored circled. Does c strike get circled, or line through it, when he left tree? [/QUOTE

Ok, the one and only question asked here is the last sentence from above, "Does C strike get circled or line through it when HE LEFT THE TREE? And the answer is neither, when that dog left the tree, his tree points are minused and his strike is still live. His strike points don't get scored till the dog is handled.

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Donnie all dogs are struck and treed time is up you know the dog left a tree but you don't know if it was that one he is shut out on that tree yes he was struck but he quit his track and arrived after the judge got there actually far as I am concerned you are doing him a favor deleting his strike ! If he was my dog I would withdraw him and warm him up a little jmo.


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Donnie all dogs are struck and treed time is up you know the dog left a tree but you don't know if it was that one he is shut out on that tree yes he was struck but he quit his track and arrived after the judge got there actually far as I am concerned you are doing him a favor deleting his strike ! If he was my dog I would withdraw him and warm him up a little jmo.


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I don't even know what to say lol.

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I just assumed he meant he came to the tree.


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Well I am right again you can get out one of your advisors if it will make you feel better lmbo big dummies.


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How could such a minor scoring question become such a major one and get so complicated?

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Trying to make them think Richard one you don't know the dog was on the same tree. You don't know if it took 30 minutes to get to that tree and the other dogs held his strike open there are a lot of variables it's not always cut and dried. Look at that other 4 pages of mess and then a non moh makes fun of one that is because he thinks he is the cats meow when in reality he makes mistakes just like everybody else I can twist these rules any way you want them.



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Originally posted by yadkintar
Would you like to get beat by a strike circle ?
Rule 5 I only way he can gain with his strike if he trees elsewhere. All dogs are struck and treed and time is up he is shut out on that tree unless the coon is seen delete his strike.


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need to remove your MOH license !! if you don't know the correct answer to such another simple question !! they may have already!!

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