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Originally posted by Blaze2014
400 to pay up s.s. for how long? 6 mo right? Just pay cast winners at end of night and drop the program.

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I’m interested in how that would work telling stud owners they can only breed one female a year? Explain how that would work?

Mr Tim.

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Sires not in Performance Program could be allowed 1 litter per year of Performance pups at $200 + mandatory pay up litter.

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I would agree with extending the pay up date past a year old, add an extra fee, whatever, but make it able to pay as the dog matures and makes a hound. It seems a lot of people don't understand the current pay up process, we should make it easier to understand and as Jen said, make it a part of the puppy paper, rather than send an extra paper with them.

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Ok I understand what your saying, but why would anyone pay $200 an only get to Performance one liter when they can pay $100 and breed as many as they want?

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If paid by Sept something it's 400, caps at 700. Which yes is higher than ukc program, but I don't think is a good comparison. I can register just regular and go hunt and get paid that night, for the life of my dog, and not have no program fees to pay and a 2 point cap limit, and get paid for cast wins and all at world hunt. Now I'm not saying anything nobody don't know, hunt what ya want. But if ukc wants to be top dog in coonhound world, better straighten things out quickly.

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If a litter is not out of a performance stud charge $200 to performance that litter and that $$ goes into the program. I dont see how that would hurt the program,, but help it out..

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Ok make the litter applications 50 to 100 each litter at birth of pup that would be paid by the dams owner now when the pups are sold pup papers and pp register papers should be giving to the dams owner from ukc then handed to new owner of said pup when paid for now for it to register to hunt by 6 months old the new owner has pay the fee of 50 to 100 whatever to register it in pp but they have to pay that fee each year to keep it in the program for it to hunt and allow a top winners hunt off to win the pot at the end of each year and do a 20/20 or 25/25 the rest stays in the pot to split between owner of stud and hunt winner next year and do breed hunts to
Pups 6 months 100 for the life of the dog
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Over a year 300 to 450 life of the dog
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does anyone have any idea on what the percent of dogs entered in local hunts are performance and those that are not?

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does anyone have any idea on what the percent of dogs entered in local hunts are performance and those that are not?

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Here’s one of my questions...

What is the AVERAGE lifetime earnings of a performance pup?


Sorry for asking and pretty sure I won’t get an official answer.

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Everyone will benefit from changes including UKC. Elimanating checks under $50, slight increases to Sire fees, allowing 1 time breedings & allowing 12-18 mo. old pups to participate should add $20,000-$30,000 yearly..

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It’s only $400 to pay up a SS sire, $200 to SS a liter that’s not from a SS stud.

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They give an early bird discount to pay up for $400 for the year that has to be paid before the end of September then it increases a hundred every month up to $700 for the year if not paid by November. You can also pay $350 for each 6mo term if you miss out on the early bird special. Yes on the $200 a litter to make pups SS eligible from non SS studs, still have to have DNA profile done on both the sire and dam.

I do not see the UKC performance program loosing money by allowing older than 1yr in if the cost was on an increasing scale and not allowing any previous earned points to count toward payout of Performance points. It will give those not entered by one year a chance in and having significant fee increases with age gives those that have younger pups more incentive to pay up early to avoid the bigger fees. I have had to spend as much as the $410 fee to pay up a dog in the SS just to increase the value of the dog.

I will go back to my original post from days ago to increase participation simplify the registration process. Performance has got to be included on the Application for Permanent Registration. For as long as this program has been in place when I have to explain how to sign up pups to a good half of the guys who buy pups there is a problem!

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Thanks for clarifying that. The performance works the same, $100 before January 1st, $200 on or after January 1st, $300 after June or July 1st.
The weak link in the program is that 75% of pups don’t get paid up, figure out how to get people to performance there pups and the program works.

Mr Tim.

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1. Registration process needs simplified. Need a check box on permanent registration papers with appropriate fees listed based on age. Make any age eligible, just gotta pay to play.

2. Payout only the top 10 for each respective age group based on total performance points earned. ie 1 year olds, 2 year olds, 3 year olds. After 3, have a yearly Performance hunt for those dogs having earned Performance points that hunt year and payout the final 4 of that hunt. Get a sponsor...say Purina...and make this a National type hunt with a handsome purse or even a pick up truck.

These type of changes are geared towards increasing participation as well as prestige. I would have to see some numbers to get an idea of what the payouts would be, but in my scenario...your are paying out 34 dogs....I would think this would significantly increase point value.

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Mr Coffman, those are some good ideas. But it sounds like you are describing the Purina Race. And any dog can be hunted in it and it doesn't cost you anything up front. You can also earn Performance Points while you are running.

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Everyone would pay a Performance fee upon registration to be eligible. The fee would need to coincide with a dogs age. The older the dog, the higher the fee. Encourage people to pay them up when they are pups or breeders to pay up the litter before selling.

I’m not sure how the current Purina Circuit runs. However, I do not think that from a points perspective that 1 year olds are vying for a top ten race against other 1 year olds (2 year olds, 3 year olds, etc). I want to create competition amongst the different age groups as well as prestige for folks being able to say they had the top 2 year old performance pup or top 5 2 year old performance pup, etc...

You would also be able to earn Performance Points at any hunt...don’t think you can do that with Purina Points.

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if no checks was paid out to anyone when they didn't earn at least $25. that alone would save ukc upwards of a couple hundred thousand dollars and a boat load of time. in turn saving the program money.

increase participation. make ALL dogs eligible at ANY age.

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They get 10% of the top plus they draw interest off of that money and they send you a 1099 if your check is big enough y'all got to get over that they are struggling stuff jmo.




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It don't cost anyone to not pay out 50$ or less? It's costing the guy not getting it, 50$. I'm sorry but if someone owes me money, give it to me

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STUGGLING STUFF? WHAT?

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There are plenty of dead dogs and dogs that never won any things money in there to pay people with.



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It don't cost anyone to not pay out 50$ or less? It's costing the guy not getting it, 50$. I'm sorry but if someone owes me money, give it to me

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unfortunately it does cost ukc a bundle. i also understand what u are saying sleepy.

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