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Well when someone gives advice on what to do we always seem to pick it apart and come up with how that is the wrong thing to do.

Since it is the 4th of July and we should all be one Big Happy GRATEFUL Family today I will try a different angle that I don't think we can pick apart. First put on your big boy panties and then answer this.

What have you personally done when starting a pup or young dog that months or years down the road you regretted doing and always thought if you had done different or not done at all the dog would have been a lot better dog. I know I have made a lot of mistakes and learn from them everyday. If your willing to share some of yours, I am sure someone will learn from them.

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When I first started hunting by my self, probably around 12 or 13 I had a real young pup that was doing extremely well treeing his own coons. I loved to see a good coon fight back then. I would bring them out to fight and I ruined that pup. He would stay treed until he seen me coming and then he would just leave to the next one.

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Walking a pup or pups all through the woods instead of sitting my butt down and letting them get gone by themselves

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Starting and hunting them with an older hound and giving the youngster fur at the end that was not earned. Now,I always start and train them by themselves!! They tree 5 or 10 by themselves is alot better than 30 with an older hound showing them the way! Me to can get started easier than one might think!! JMO!!

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I quit showing pups caged coon a long time ago, imo they can get intimidated. I have plenty of coon so getting one started has not been a problem.

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Thinking dogs need a lot of coon shot to them. A good dog doesn't need many. For a sorry dog you can't shoot enough.

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Useing the tone for recall instead of useing it as a training tool

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Useing the tone for recall instead of useing it as a training tool

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Not taking the time to teach a pup simply obedience. Once I figured out if I put a handle on a pup they would be a more enjoyable hound, everything else seemed to go better.

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I used to worry more about what everybody else thought about my dog more than what I did!

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Will you elaborate on why you feel this is a mistake?
Good thread Bruce!

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yall will want to kick me in the butt after hearing this. Many of the old timers on here may remember when this happened to me. LOOOONG story short. I got a bluetick pup. He started so quick. At 6 months old he treed his own coon by himself off a feeder bucket I had out. By 8 months he could DRIVE a track. Hard tree dog at 8 months old. Loud tree dog. He was a calm normal dog . All of sudden he developed this thing about growling in the dog box. It was BAAAD. It didn't matter who it was standing near the box. He showed TEETH !!!!! I reached in and he nearly bit me. I panicked. Thought he could possibly have rabies. Carried him to the vet that night he showed his teeth at us. The vet saw, she panicked. Got a stick with syringe on the end of it. Put him to sleep, killed my dog. She sent him off to be tested and he DID NOT have rabies. All that being said though, THANK GOD he didn't have rabies cause we was all around the dog and he was licking on my nieces and nephews. Now, I bet I hold the record for the dumbest mistake ! lol. Lets vote on it.

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May of been a blessing, Jason

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Yeah i have a friend that feels the same way. Yall may be right

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But at 8 months old he drove a track and crossed the little tallapoosa river and treed the coon. All by himself. There are grown dogs people take to the hunts that couldnt have done it like that. And he was 8 months old. By himself. And had the coon

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Them to get treed to fast. Feeder buckets, see one setting up and putting them on tree , I now know how dumb it is. Creates a tree monster

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Shooting to much at a tree with young dog there. Try to make it 1 shot 1 kill now. Looking back believe it scared dog enough they didn't want to stay at tree. Culled several because of it.

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I reuined a couple pretty talented pups back when hides were high, learned to never give em a coon they didnt tree. Didnt have the willpower as a teenager to leave a $30 dollar coon sittin in the tree.

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One of the worst mistakes I have made was listening to the folks at these UKC hunts when I was a young man. I read story ofter story and had verbal advice from several different coon hunters saying (Don't let that pup stand around you) (Light a fire under its butt and send it in the timber, that will make it hunt)

Well I cut me a few switches from time to time and did all I could to (light that fire) The only thing it created for me was a hound that would stand off in the brush, about 50 yards out and watch to see if I was headed its way to light that fire once again.

When I quit using that switch, and started using my voice for encouragement, I seen much better results of my dog going hunting. Some dogs are natural born hard driving explorers. Some dogs are medium explorers, and some dogs are close explorers, and no amount of (lighting that fire) will make them hunt any farther or faster, it will only make them hide from you because they don't really understand why you are mad at them.

Many hunters make the mistake of being overly friendly to their pup, thus creating that overwhelming desire for that pup to stay with or hang around you. When taking that pup to the woods, the best thing you can do is try to ignore the pup as much as possible. Only talk to it or encourage it when you see that it has done something good. The more you make the trips to the woods fun for the pup, the more the pup will want to go to the woods and explore. Just my two cents.

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"All they need is more hunting"
The biggest mistake I've made has been to continue to hunt a young dog usually out of popular breeding, because they would tree their own coon at a young age but did not have the intelligence to ever achieve that the highest level of superiority. They would peak at a young age and make nice dogs but not have the intelligence to go to that top tier.

Second biggest mistake was been believing someone when they described a pup or young dog's parents. If I had went hunting with the parents before buying it I would have saved thousands of dollars. You should not expect the pup to turnout better than the worst parent. Later I'd find out that the parents were just nice dogs and I was looking for the level of of ability that the big time breeder had probably never seen let alone own.

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Thinking I knew more than my dad did. He said not to buy that bluetick, I didn't listen and spent money on it. Should have listened.

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Training pups with old dogs. Since I've been training pups alone I have more independent dogs that tree coons alone at a younger age.

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hunting them good early starting pups that tree their own coons with other peoples old dogs and getting them eat up at the tree...

desided just go back old school and hunt them with my own stuff or by self till they are 2-3 yrs old and could defend themselves if another dog got froggy..

dont belive the guy when he turns his dog loose and has a axe handle for a walking stick..

when they say dog will be deep and alone with the meat,
they has to be a reason why its alone, they arent going tell you that part.

not going hunt or breed to dogs that go 4 different directions when turned loose ,,waste whole night getting to 4 coon "deep and alone"

thats not my definition of coonhunting

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first dog I trained myself I wasn't the best at finding the coon well some times after pulling her off the tree I'd find the coon then I lead her back in and shoot it out she would go back to trees like no other after that I about had her broke from this as she got older but man I worried anytime I had to cut her near that tree again

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I learned several things over the years. First off, a dog barking at a coon in a cage tells me nothing. My lab would do that. Second, basic dog obedience does wonders later on. Third, knowing the proper way to dish out discipline. Fourth, if you hear the phrase, "all he needs is one more year" run like hell.

Happy Fourth of July

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