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Allen, why do we have breed standards if you can show and possibly make a bench champion out of an off standard dog? I'm not just talking about dew claws but things like droopy eye lids, thin chest, bad feet. You see them all the time and I wonder how in the world they made ch or grch.

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Showing a dog with dew claws is like taking the ugliest girl in school to the senior prom yea you could do it but why would you !!

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So in other words. It IS NOT a disqualifying fault.

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Blue eye(s), same deal as rear dew claws. Not preferred for most breeds but not specifically listed as a dq.....until the breed clubs vote to make it a dq.

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That's funny. Did anyone let Shadinc know its not a disqualifying trait? Lol

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Yes, I read it, Mike. In one of your posts, you said I shouldn't be a judge. Well, I'm not. I never even showed a dog in a bench show. But, for clarity, I think UKC should change the wording from "dewclaws removed" to "dewclaws preferably removed". I was fun anyway.

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Allen, why do we have breed standards if you can show and possibly make a bench champion out of an off standard dog? I'm not just talking about dew claws but things like droopy eye lids, thin chest, bad feet. You see them all the time and I wonder how in the world they made ch or grch.

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One man's "off standard" dog may be another man's beautiful dog. I have often heard it said that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Maybe that is why the same dog doesn't win every bench show even when the same dogs are shown. I guess that the dogs they were showing against had droopier eyelids, thinner chests or worse feet. It isn't that hard to figure out, just like some of the dogs who make Nt Ch or Gr Nt Ch. One mans Gr Nt Ch may be another mans cull. I have hunted with Gr Nt Ch's that the owner thought was the best dog in the world and I thought to myself that I would not own the dog. And I am sure that some have thought the same of my dog. I am sure that it is the same for bench show dogs. And I am glad that y'all have this rear dew claw thing figured out now.

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I don't show dogs but found this thread interesting. I read it probably 3 times and I still don't know if dew claws are allowed or not. lol

I'll ask my bench show judge buddies.

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Richard, it doesn't make any difference how pretty you think your dog is, if it doesn't meet the breed standards he shouldn't place in any show. I like your thinking, so if I show up at enough nite hunts with these 3 worthless dogs of mine, they will say Joe your dogs don't meet the standards for a nite champion, but since you show up at all the hunts we're going to make your dogs nite champions. I think that's a good idea, might make more people show up at the hunts.

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Allen, why do we have breed standards if you can show and possibly make a bench champion out of an off standard dog? I'm not just talking about dew claws but things like droopy eye lids, thin chest, bad feet. You see them all the time and I wonder how in the world they made ch or grch.

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The breed standard clearly states in each and every breed that the dogs must have the ability to trail and tree coon. Two of the breeds even say they should be good swimmers. So if were using breed standards then 99% of the show dogs would be DQ'ed before they stepped into the ring. As a whole the hunting dogs fit the breed standards far better then the show dogs. Bottom line is put a show dog that looks pretty beside a hunting dog with dew claws. If that show dog can't prove it can track and tree coon which dog better fits the breed standard of a "coonhound" that's simple.

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But the lack of the ability to track and tree a coon is not a disqualifying fault. I can't believe that y'all think that ugly girls don't have the right to go to their Senior Prom. Apparantly y'all think that only the "pretty" girls have the right to go. What about the "ugly" boys? Do they have to stay home too? Maybe they should have seperate proms for the "pretty" people and the "ugly" people. What if the Captain of the football team was "ugly". Could he go to the "pretty" Prom or would he have to go to the "ugly" Prom? What if the "ugly" football team Captain was dating a "pretty" girl. Would they go to the "pretty" Prom or the "ugly" Prom. And I wonder who would judge who the "pretty" girls and guys were and who the "ugly" girls and guys were? Would the "prettiest" girl at the "ugly" people Prom still get crowned the Queen? What if a "pretty" girl went to the "ugly" Prom just so she could win the Queen crown?

Bench shows are just like night hunts. Some Nt Ch's can tree a coon quick and some it takes all night to tree one. But they both can tree a coon. When you get in a cast where it takes all 3 dogs all night to tree one coon. The "quickest" one can still win.

What if a bench show dog has the ability to tree a coon but you have to walk him/her across a track? Would that count? There sure are a lot of variables or questions here. And it seems that everyone has a different "standard" or trait that they put more emphasis on. To some it is dew claws and to some it is "ability to tree a coon". To some it is color and to some it is the length of their ears. If every judge had the same "preferences" then the same dog would win every show.

But at least we do know now that rear dew claws are not a disqualifying fault no matter what a bench show judge may tell you.

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But the lack of the ability to track and tree a coon is not a disqualifying fault. I can't believe that y'all think that ugly girls don't have the right to go to their Senior Prom. Apparantly y'all think that only the "pretty" girls have the right to go. What about the "ugly" boys? Do they have to stay home too? Maybe they should have seperate proms for the "pretty" people and the "ugly" people. What if the Captain of the football team was "ugly". Could he go to the "pretty" Prom or would he have to go to the "ugly" Prom? What if the "ugly" football team Captain was dating a "pretty" girl. Would they go to the "pretty" Prom or the "ugly" Prom. And I wonder who would judge who the "pretty" girls and guys were and who the "ugly" girls and guys were? Would the "prettiest" girl at the "ugly" people Prom still get crowned the Queen? What if a "pretty" girl went to the "ugly" Prom just so she could win the Queen crown?

Bench shows are just like night hunts. Some Nt Ch's can tree a coon quick and some it takes all night to tree one. But they both can tree a coon. When you get in a cast where it takes all 3 dogs all night to tree one coon. The "quickest" one can still win.

What if a bench show dog has the ability to tree a coon but you have to walk him/her across a track? Would that count? There sure are a lot of variables or questions here. And it seems that everyone has a different "standard" or trait that they put more emphasis on. To some it is dew claws and to some it is "ability to tree a coon". To some it is color and to some it is the length of their ears. If every judge had the same "preferences" then the same dog would win every show.

But at least we do know now that rear dew claws are not a disqualifying fault no matter what a bench show judge may tell you.

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Wow, that about says it all there. I think I would go to both proms!!!

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But the lack of the ability to track and tree a coon is not a disqualifying fault. I can't believe that y'all think that ugly girls don't have the right to go to their Senior Prom. Apparantly y'all think that only the "pretty" girls have the right to go. What about the "ugly" boys? Do they have to stay home too? Maybe they should have seperate proms for the "pretty" people and the "ugly" people. What if the Captain of the football team was "ugly". Could he go to the "pretty" Prom or would he have to go to the "ugly" Prom? What if the "ugly" football team Captain was dating a "pretty" girl. Would they go to the "pretty" Prom or the "ugly" Prom. And I wonder who would judge who the "pretty" girls and guys were and who the "ugly" girls and guys were? Would the "prettiest" girl at the "ugly" people Prom still get crowned the Queen? What if a "pretty" girl went to the "ugly" Prom just so she could win the Queen crown?

Bench shows are just like night hunts. Some Nt Ch's can tree a coon quick and some it takes all night to tree one. But they both can tree a coon. When you get in a cast where it takes all 3 dogs all night to tree one coon. The "quickest" one can still win.

What if a bench show dog has the ability to tree a coon but you have to walk him/her across a track? Would that count? There sure are a lot of variables or questions here. And it seems that everyone has a different "standard" or trait that they put more emphasis on. To some it is dew claws and to some it is "ability to tree a coon". To some it is color and to some it is the length of their ears. If every judge had the same "preferences" then the same dog would win every show.

But at least we do know now that rear dew claws are not a disqualifying fault no matter what a bench show judge may tell you.

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Some of those ugly girls had rich family's I always got the poor ones lol !!

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I went to the prom with an ugly, poor girl. And she had dewclaws.

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I'll take a rich ugly guy over a good looking poor guy any day! Then I could buy a good looking Nite Ch.

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Bring those dogs with dew claws to my show I will give them a win ,most likely they will have no competition because no one is showing around here anymore,and the ones that do well thats another subject lol

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On a sidenote, a dog being shown with a disqualifying fault is supposed to be written up by the judge and that information sent to UKC. If there are judges who are dq'ing dogs for things that aren't dqs as listed in the standard, I'd think it would come to UKC's attention pretty quickly and they'd be in contact with that judge.

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wjoey, so breed standards mean nothing to you. It may not be a DQ that's reported to UKC, but that dog does not meet the standards for that breed. Again since my dogs aren't comp dogs if I bring them to your hunt will you give me a first place so I can make them a nite champion.

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Breed Standards describe the "ideal" dog. As we all know, there aren't very many "ideal" dogs. Any dog that doesn't have a disqualifying fault fits the breed standard even if it is not ideal. Mr Allen as long as your dog can tree a coon, then he has the opportunity to win first place if he is the only dog there. But, not being able to tree a coon is a disqualifying fault in a night hunt.

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