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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
We are going to charge $20 for regular hunts that don't have additional prizes, most our regular hunts are just $15 now and include free food. Going to talk to Allen about how to work entry fee for our $30 slams. Because the payout is based off a $30 entry fee but would like to charge 35 still and still payout off a $30 entry fee. We do this for bigger $kc hunts where the extra is used to pay guides and judges, in this case it will go to UKC for escrow.

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Originally posted by Doug__Adams
I think it may change numbers for a year or so.. but eventually the little guys like myself will quit going and the “UKC” crowd will just become the same crowd you see at $ hunts now. Pkc hunts around her draw 3 dogs just like the UKC hunts. It’s just a different 3 guys.. the 3 $ guys will probably come to UKC but the 3 dust collector guys will probably disappear. If money was their motivation they would’ve been at the Pkc hunts. Just my opinion.

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We are in an area where it has got down to where nobody has nowhere close to go. Even not many $$$ hunts either. I just want a place where if it’s 4 or 40 entrants they have a good time. I hope this helps get people interested again.



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Location: northeast
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I don't agree with the across the board fee increase.
To me it is like the government raising taxes of everyone to benefit a few .
There are people that will never consider going to this hunt in their life time yet if they enter say 10 hunts a year will eventually pay an extra 50.00 .
Club can't eat this increase so you know the entry fees are going up. There are many already struggling to stay afloat.
UKC got you over a barrel and you either pay or stay home.
Don't think 5.00 is a big deal. When gas went up entries fell.

Actual case point.
Our Pa State hunt required you to be a member to receive extra awards. Instead of asking everyone and verifying membership. Nite Hunters decided to charge an extra 5.00 entry and sign everyone up.
So you were now a member and eligible for Jacket ,etc.
We had guys griping about the extra fee and how they could hunt in so and so hunts for this or that. Or they didn't care about the Jacket.

These guys that want that compete for 200,000 should be the ones that pay to play.
Just like auto and horse racing. They pay high entry fees and get sponsors to help .

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It's very difficult to hold big money competitions without sponsors.

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Would they disappear because additional competition showed up?
Who is the little guy? What many fail to realize is that many of these guys are the little guy too, paying their own way. Which is why many like to hunt for at least their gas money back, they are hunting on their own dime. Working hard day in day out putting food on the table and raising kids just like nearly everyone else. Many raise and train their own dogs. Why would someone resent outside competition showing up unless they are so used to their small group collecting wins. Want to make it work...welcome them, feed them and don't make outsiders feel like outsiders and they may surprise you. I stated in a previous post that to qualify you have to have 5 wins, winning 75% of casts that's 7-8 hunts, 50% of casts would be 10 hunts.
Our club has lots of crossovers us included we've got those that have never hunted for money in their life right along side and having a good time and good hunts with those that have won everything there is on the other side multiple truck winners, world titles, nationals, SS and the $200,000+ $ winners, you name it they've won it.
I remember one time showing up at a hunt a few states away on our way home from somewhere else and guys pulling their entry slips off the table never speaking and walking out the door. The 2 that were left were super guys and one of them won the hunt that night. The others didn't even know who we were but we were outsiders. Don't ever be that hunter.

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We just started a new club last year. Our first hunt only had 4 dogs. But the second and third hunts were double headers and hunted 14 each night. We kept the price at $15 because the hunters were new to compition except a couple. I love the ideal but I hope it doesn’t keep these new guys away. I will have to explain it good to them to keep them coming. I think most will but this is a poor area unfortunately.

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If this program pulls one more hunter per cast at a $20 entry fee that one extra almost paid for the price increase for the whole cast, then he is also there to buy raffle tickets, buy food and drinks from the kitchen, and increase a Calcutta. A little less money per cast member with more hunters will beat more money from a handful of hunters.

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Let's see, 5 entries at $15 = $75 minus 5 x $2.50 = $62.50.
Now then 8 entries x $15 = $125 minus 8 x $7.50= $65.

Why does a club have to increase their entry fee? If you have food sales or a raffle or a 50/50, increased hunters will increase revenue voluntarily.

People always complain about paying taxes but they line up to buy lottery tickets.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Let's see, 5 entries at $15 = $75 minus 5 x $2.50 = $62.50.
Now then 8 entries x $15 = $125 minus 8 x $7.50= $65.

Why does a club have to increase their entry fee? If you have food sales or a raffle or a 50/50, increased hunters will increase revenue voluntarily.

People always complain about paying taxes but they line up to buy lottery tickets.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Let's see, 5 entries at $15 = $75 minus 5 x $2.50 = $62.50.
Now then 8 entries x $15 = $125 minus 8 x $7.50= $65.

Why does a club have to increase their entry fee? If you have food sales or a raffle or a 50/50, increased hunters will increase revenue voluntarily.

People always complain about paying taxes but they line up to buy lottery tickets.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Let's see, 5 entries at $15 = $75 minus 5 x $2.50 = $62.50.
Now then 8 entries x $15 = $125 minus 8 x $7.50= $65.

Why does a club have to increase their entry fee? If you have food sales or a raffle or a 50/50, increased hunters will increase revenue voluntarily.

People always complain about paying taxes but they line up to buy lottery tickets.

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What show people? Our clubs quit having bench shows a couple of years ago.

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The ones that compete at national levels. I went to over 30 last year.

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Gone but never forgotten:
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NtChGrCh Dryfork Little Blue Baby Doll
2009 Pa Show Dog Of The Year
GrCh Dryfork Little Black Book
Gr.Ch. Make My Day Sunny
Gone too soon RIP my baby girl
Gr.Ch. Black Dog Black Cherry
GrCh Dryfork Black Dog Raine
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2009,2013,2018 Pa. State
Show Handler Of The Year
CH. Power Pack Pepper
2018 Pa. Show Dog Of Year
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2011&2013 WTDA Pa State Champion
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Another question?If this increase only benefits the hunting genre, why are the show people going to also be paying an increase?
The fee increase IS NOT BENEFITTING THEM !!!
Where are their returns for increases ?? [/B][/QUOTE]

PAT, The way I read the 7 dollar recording fee is for the hunting dogs only--I don't think they raised the fees on the Bench Shows or water races & field trail

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Thanks for that. Hope you are right as that would only be fair to the show participants and clubs.
The shows are in more trouble then the hunts right now.
A lot of clubs dropped shows around here.

Question is though is hunt fees a generalization term such as hunt packet ,hunt results and in fact includes ALL ENTRIES?

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IT SEEMS THAT EVERYTIME A BREED OR LINE OF DOGS GET POPULAR IT EVENTUALLY LEADS TO ITS RUINATION BY UNINFORMED PEOPLE BREEDING WITHOUT DOING THEIR RESEARCH FIRST.

Gone but never forgotten:
NtChGrCh Dryfork Punkin
NtChGrCh Dryfork Little Blue Baby Doll
2009 Pa Show Dog Of The Year
GrCh Dryfork Little Black Book
Gr.Ch. Make My Day Sunny
Gone too soon RIP my baby girl
Gr.Ch. Black Dog Black Cherry
GrCh Dryfork Black Dog Raine
One of kind and would make a believer out of you when you thought there were no coon left
Home of:
2009,2013,2018 Pa. State
Show Handler Of The Year
CH. Power Pack Pepper
2018 Pa. Show Dog Of Year
Gr.Ch. Batman's Poison Ivy
2011&2013 WTDA Pa State Champion
2011&2013 Overall Hunt For The Cure
Ch. Jay's Greenridge Heidi
In memory of my best friend "Jay"

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