Registered: Feb 2012
Location: Harleton Texas
Posts: 488

With the prevalence of deep and lonely and the way most hunters are embarrassed or disgusted if their hound works with another dog in our area we don't have the acreage to hold a 2 hour hunt . Mine included is a big hunting dog . I haven't man made him like most of the guys training their dog to get away from others but half the time he checks out and does his thing . I have 1 lease that is around 750 acres and when I take a cast it works out to be 1 drop due to the dogs scattering . If I try for a second drop and we are trespassing . My question is why are so many whipping and shocking their hound to be solo unless they are just ill tempered and they cant stand to put them down . From what Ive witnessed if another dog covers one they get ate up or the solo dog leaves . I don't like a big eared dog either that quits and runs to another to back them it just takes around 2000 acres to hold a cast where you can recut . Recutting to me is what separates the elite hounds .unless we go the way of the deer hunter and lease up large tracks of land the competition part of hunting is going to disappear around here . what are others doing to find spots or tracts of land large enough for cast . Texas is not a right to retrieve state and they right some hefty tickets around here especially in deer season .

__________________
Mike Knuckols
Cold Traxx Kennels .com
"The Big Yummer "

Home of :
CH NITECH Whitemans Poison
GRCH NITECH Cold Traxx Extra Man
CH GRNITECH Kings Hardwood Ranger
UKC CH PKC CH CHKC CH Cold Traxx Man Child
GRNTCH PKC CH Hunt it off Bella
Cold Traxx Southern Honey
Cold Traxx Mattie
Cold Traxx Super Freak



Gone but never forgotten :
NITECH McFarlands Joe
Knuckols Hooker
NITECH Cypress River Chance
NITECH Cypress River Honey
NITECH Cypress River Princess
NITECH Newcombs Miss Molly
NITECH Wilsons Hardwood Ann
GRCH GRNTCH Paulding Forrest Bubba

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790

Mike they won big $$$ with them. Then everybody copied how they created them faster than a Chinese light builder. The $$$ kc refuses to address the rules they play by that makes their creation hold value. Ukc changed the rules that will real them back in fortunately not all of us were influenced by $$$ to create a pain in the eeee awww dog just to fit in. It won’t take long the rules determine how people play the game they always have what don’t have value will be thrown in the trash.


And Bruce will be bragging on his close hunting tight mouthed wipeout dogs you will see.


Tar

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Nov 2011
Location: Freeport,TX
Posts: 1904

quote:

---

Originally posted by yadkintar
Mike they won big $$$ with them. Then everybody copied how they created them faster than a Chinese light builder. The $$$ kc refuses to address the rules they play by that makes their creation hold value. Ukc changed the rules that will real them back in fortunately not all of us were influenced by $$$ to create a pain in the eeee awww dog just to fit in. It won’t take long the rules determine how people play the game they always have what don’t have value will be thrown in the trash.


And Bruce will be bragging on his close hunting tight mouthed wipeout dogs you will see.


Tar

---

__________________
Training dogs is not so much about quantity, it's more about timing, and the right situations...After that it's up to the dog....A hunting dog is born...

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Dec 2010
Location:
Posts: 1202

I got one that I never had to beat and shock on. Some are naturally that way but she wasn’t a social retard. She didn’t leave if they came to her. She would let other dogs tree with her.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790

I must say mike came up here to one of our $$$ hunts with his deep hunting dog and I guided them in a place I call the honey hole his dog treed 5 singles in 90 minutes and he won the cast. His dog only goes deep if need be.


We only got 900 yards from the pickup at the most.


Tar

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Mar 2011
Location: candler nc
Posts: 1404

quote:

---

Originally posted by yadkintar
Mike they won big $$$ with them. Then everybody copied how they created them faster than a Chinese light builder. The $$$ kc refuses to address the rules they play by that makes their creation hold value. Ukc changed the rules that will real them back in fortunately not all of us were influenced by $$$ to create a pain in the eeee awww dog just to fit in. It won’t take long the rules determine how people play the game they always have what don’t have value will be thrown in the trash.


And Bruce will be bragging on his close hunting tight mouthed wipeout dogs you will see.


Tar

---

__________________
<BIGTIME KENNELS>
MARSHALL AYERS:
828-280-6769
DUAL GRAND GRNITECH'GRCH'PR'NITRO'S BIGTIME GOMER
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x374/bigtimekennels/th_null_zpsaf6e7c86.png

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790

quote:

---

Originally posted by MARSHALL AYERS
With that being said wouldn’t the older style dogs now prevail? If you have 2 deep and lonely style dogs in a cast and 2 dogs that work together and tree Coons as they come you would think the dogs that work together and tree more Coons on the way to the deep and lonely dogs would fair better in a cast. With that being said as I see around the hunts today the deep and lonely style dogs seem to be more accurate. And they are winning by having Coons.

In the end you can’t blame a specific kc’s rules for changing the way dog operate. That deep and lonely dog that had Coons to win is all around a better dog when the name of the game is have a Coon.

I don’t care how many trees dog make together pack hunting or spread out. It’s about meat at the end of a track.

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Nov 2016
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 65

Now Tar, you know good and well that those dogs are just "cooooold nosed." To hear some tell it, some of those dogs can even wind yesterday's coon fart 3 miles away with the wind at their back. It's not their fault you're hunting a HOT NOSED dog!! LOL

Think about it a little bit.....who's to blame or credit for that style of dog? Those are the rules right?

UKC rules even state:

2. POINT SYSTEM
(a) 100 points for dog that "opens" first;

Can't blame a guy or a handler for wanting to win by the rules, and "opening" right off the lead is how you can get that first and 75pts more than the last dog "called" in the calling contest. In a 1 hour hunt it can be a real advantage.

In "theory", it's supposed to credit the dog that hunts out and finds an actual coon track and opens first. BUUUUT the TRUTH and REALITY is...it's NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE to PROVE what (if anything) that any dog is "actually" opening on in a hunt. Especially on the first dump with strange dogs......yet advantage points are given for it, hunts are won by it and some will even go so far as to measure a dog by it?? LOL

__________________
CORNERSTONE TREEING WALKERS
Greg & Marcia Harring
Syracuse, Nebraska
402-209-5053

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790

quote:

---

Originally posted by G.W. Harring
Now Tar, you know good and well that those dogs are just "cooooold nosed." To hear some tell it, some of those dogs can even wind yesterday's coon fart 3 miles away with the wind at their back. It's not their fault you're hunting a HOT NOSED dog!! LOL

Think about it a little bit.....who's to blame or credit for that style of dog? Those are the rules right?

UKC rules even state:

2. POINT SYSTEM
(a) 100 points for dog that "opens" first;

Can't blame a guy or a handler for wanting to win by the rules, and "opening" right off the lead is how you can get that first and 75pts more than the last dog "called" in the calling contest. In a 1 hour hunt it can be a real advantage.

In "theory", it's supposed to credit the dog that hunts out and finds an actual coon track and opens first. BUUUUT the TRUTH and REALITY is...it's NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE to PROVE what (if anything) that any dog is "actually" opening on in a hunt. Especially on the first dump with strange dogs......yet advantage points are given for it, hunts are won by it and some will even go so far as to measure a dog by it?? LOL

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Dec 2017
Location:
Posts: 340

All you have to do is “ PROVE” it. I know it , the man that handles the dog knows it. The rule supports it , so prove that it’s wrong. Few years back a kid could tell that a dog was running its mouth for no reason. Now the dogs make it look so real that proving it is hard or next to impossible. As far as the coon goes strick points absolutely means squat. All they are this day in time is an advantage for the handler. But it be 300 yards or 2 miles them dogs will have a coon 9 out of 10 times when they park it. Even here in the south with all the public land we are blessed with. It takes a deep hunting dog most of the time. But again strick points mean nothing.I will never be convinced that a dog or any dog for that matter can get a 100 strick on every cut loose an end up as deep as some of these dogs. Hunting land is disappearing at a fast rate. It’s sad that the game we play has to be done with the style dog that is part of the problem.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Aug 2019
Location: East central indiana
Posts: 159

I can’t imagine how bad this Yadkin tar guy had to have been beat by pkc dogs for him to dislike the registry and it’s membership so much. If they are such poor quality dogs and yours is superior, why don’t you go win some of that easy money? Only takes 3 to score a tree, I’ve seen you complain about walking, so walk to the close ones, let the 3 able bodied handlers to score the deep ones.

__________________
Sam fox
PKC, the place to be.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790

quote:

---

Originally posted by Sfox91
I can’t imagine how bad this Yadkin tar guy had to have been beat by pkc dogs for him to dislike the registry and it’s membership so much. If they are such poor quality dogs and yours is superior, why don’t you go win some of that easy money? Only takes 3 to score a tree, I’ve seen you complain about walking, so walk to the close ones, let the 3 able bodied handlers to score the deep ones.

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790

Getting beat never bothered me much I just would get a pup out of the dog that beat me.


Tar

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2004
Location: North MO
Posts: 2347

quote:

---

Originally posted by Sfox91
I can’t imagine how bad this Yadkin tar guy had to have been beat by pkc dogs for him to dislike the registry and it’s membership so much. If they are such poor quality dogs and yours is superior, why don’t you go win some of that easy money? Only takes 3 to score a tree, I’ve seen you complain about walking, so walk to the close ones, let the 3 able bodied handlers to score the deep ones.

---

__________________
YouTube.com/@canestreammedia
www.joydogfood.com
Fueled by Joy Podcast

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: May 2016
Location: Palatka, FL
Posts: 5103

Josh, some days I like like your style. Today is starting off as a banner day.

__________________
www.ConkeysOutdoors.com
"Boss Lights"

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790

quote:

---

Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
I don't go to a lot of hunts, but I have gone to a big one or two every year for the last 5 or 6 years. Never seen Tar at one. Yet he knows what all the dogs are like, how they win, how they are bred, where they strike, how far they go, and what the handlers are getting paid.

All from his couch......

We should have sicked him on Bin Laden, maybe got him caught faster and never had to leave his livingroom.

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2004
Location: North MO
Posts: 2347

quote:

---

Originally posted by Bruce m. Conkey
Josh, some days I like like your style. Today is starting off as a banner day.

---

__________________
YouTube.com/@canestreammedia
www.joydogfood.com
Fueled by Joy Podcast

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790

quote:

---

Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
We are rained out at work today Bruce, so I got to browse the old interwebs as I drank my morning coffe, and much to my surprise I notice this elderly gentlemen in Oklahoma who appears to have an actual superpower and thought.......what a waste of valuable resources.

This man knows literally everything.....without going literally, anywhere.......

Surely someone like that can be used for more than just telling us what everyone's coon dogs that he has never actually hunted with are like.

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Aug 2004
Location: Chattanooga, Tn
Posts: 22461

Oh my goodness, what a way to start the day.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2004
Location: North MO
Posts: 2347

quote:

---

Originally posted by yadkintar
Josh did competition hunting start with you ? Was you in a little clubhouse in cleburne tx with Jarvis umphers when pkc first started discussing rules and and programs most you hunt by today. Let’s take a trip down memory lane a hunt in Colgate ok a female that was born in my back yard with me handling treed 4 singles on dempsey while he was treeing armadillo after armadillo. I have offered you invitations for you to come down here i will show you I am what I say I am.


The higher you build yourself the further the fall. Seem like not to long ago on face book I remember you saying multiple times (F ) ukc I will never hunt in their hunts.


Tar

---

__________________
YouTube.com/@canestreammedia
www.joydogfood.com
Fueled by Joy Podcast

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Aug 2004
Location: Chattanooga, Tn
Posts: 22461

quote:

---

Originally posted by yadkintar
Josh I do it for the love of the sport take the $$$ out of it you and Bruce would quit.

Tar

---

Tarbaby, I thought that you quit until they came up with the $200,000 hunt and the only reason that you are going to hunt is to win your 5 casts?

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790

quote:

---

Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
First of all, I have said that I do not hunt UKC, because I do not like the packing dogs, and I dont like the rules. They have changed all that, so Ill start after the first of the year. I never said (f) UKC, because I simply do not talk like that.

I am not sure what Dempsey has to do with me. I am guessing the same as a dog that you do not own, or handle, and didn't train, has to do with you.

So before you get so mad you blubber around some more, remember. Your dog may be better than mine. I don't know, I have never hunted with it, and I have a policy of not talking about dogs I have never hunted with.

And I think you are probably a little weird, so I am not going to drive to Oklahoma just to see your dog go hunting.

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790

quote:

---

Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Tarbaby, I thought that you quit until they came up with the $200,000 hunt and the only reason that you are going to hunt is to win your 5 casts?

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2004
Location: North MO
Posts: 2347

quote:

---

Originally posted by yadkintar
I have drawn Jed and respect him and know Jed don’t back down from a challenge that was all before I ever heard your name.


Now you discount a persons credablity you say their opinion is false. But you ride on the coatales of another’s achievements. Your brouther was a top hunter I knew him. You just don’t want to come down because I don’t have clean woods and a buggy to ride I think your soft not me.



Tar

---

__________________
YouTube.com/@canestreammedia
www.joydogfood.com
Fueled by Joy Podcast

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: May 2016
Location: Palatka, FL
Posts: 5103

Tar lets set the record straight. As far as your opinions on hunts, dogs, future and past success. That is your opinions and you have every right to them without me saying they are wrong. I do also have my opinions form past experience and they may align or not align with yours. Doesn't make them anything more than my opinions. I will say one thing. I understand the importance of living in TODAYS world and I understand over time. Things have changed. From the Genetics in our hounds to the equipment we used to handle and train them with. I have memories but don't live in the past and discredit today and the future. To do that completely discredits every young hunter out there. Because they only know today and how it is done today.

Now lets please separate opinions from facts. In the past couple days you have now stated two facts about me that are far from the truth. Couple days ago you wanted to throw off on the wipeout dogs and attach my name to it. I have five dogs here and not one of them have any dog in their pedigree that has the name Wipeout attached. So you want to down Wipeout dogs. Do it without making WRONG statements and associations of that line and dogs I own. Second one was associating money to my love for coon hunting. That is another one of your false facts. What makes me loose faith in you is you can't even get the facts right. So how can anyone respect your opinions when they are based upon living in the past and not accepting the future.

__________________
www.ConkeysOutdoors.com
"Boss Lights"

Last edited by Bruce m. Conkey on 11-21-2019 at 02:40 PM

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged