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JimmyJohnson
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Stud Trait Survey

Please list the good traits and negative traits you have seen in these Dogs Based on ownership and facts. This is meant to educate for breeding reference. Please be positive and do not turn this into a circus. This could be a great discussion with valuable information for everyone. List the strengths and weaknesses on one, a few or all of these lines.

Mouth, Hunt, Independence, Tree power, Track power, accuracy, Nose, Brains, Reproduction percentage, Confirmation, Crosses well with.

1.Nailor
2.Sacket
3.Harry
4.Coma
5.Clover
6.Cain
7.Trackman
8.Skuna River Fred
9. Wipeout
10.Mojo
11.Buck Creek
12.Bean

Feel free to add any others with good and negative traits and good crosses. Be nice. We all might learn something. Hope to here from some reputable breeders on this subject. Our common ground is to reproduce better dogs here. Ad pictures or videos of off spring to back up your facts if you like. Lets here it.

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WIPEOUT should be in the top 5 they have beed winning winning and they are trowing young winners they are very independent,dead loaners,loud and they have a world champ wipeout speck akc and pkc and placed 10th in the ukc world and if you want to see some of the money the wipeout dog are winning go to pkc web page and got to race standing and go down to all time winning hounds that will speak for it self (WIPEOUT POWER)

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JimmyJohnson
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is there anything the wipeout dogs could use more or less of ?

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more tree and more honesty on what they run sometimes

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i hunt the coma dogs and the trackman dogs and to me the coma dogs most time have huge mouths on them and are super good track dogs and do good in thin or thick coons and just not super hard tree dogs and i got a pup now that is 9 months old that is a grand pup to track man witch is the best young dog i have ever had he hunts hard by him self or with other good mouth fast track dog and ever breath up on the wood tree dog and will not hardly back other dogs but most of the trackman dogs i have hunt with were not real good track dogs but i have not hunt with a lot of them just speaking on the ones i have seen but good and bad in all of them

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Larry Atherton
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Jimmy,

What you are trying to do is a good idea, but the problem is not everyone evaluates hounds the same. The trick is find others who evaluate hounds similiar to you, and use their advice.

A person has to earn my respect in that area first before I would give their opinion any weight.

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I understand that everyone is going to have different opinions, I was hoping that people would contribute their own opinions bas on experience and actual ownership. people without the knowledge or years of experience may never learn or understand anything different if older more experienced Hounds men don't take the initiative to educate some people. Its a real shame. This could of been a good thread.

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J&C5891
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quote:
Originally posted by JimmyJohnson
. people without the knowledge or years of experience may never learn or understand anything different if older more experienced Hounds men don't take the initiative to educate some people. Its a real shame. This could of been a good thread. [/B]


I think its has more to do with experence than age. You can be young and educated. Just do your homework and look what has worked in the past...asl for advice from the men who has hunted the certain Line you are breeding or hunting

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GRNT' Jrs Janey
(Xjr x Insane Jane)

GRNT Trackman's Stylish Witch
(Trackman x Witchcraft

GRNT' Lonetree Style Legend
( Nocturnal Style x Southern Sky)

NTCH' Jessie Jane(2wins)
(Insane Cain X Chloe Cheyenne)

After Darks Jan-It
(Sweat It x Jr's Janey)

Itsy Bitsy Spider
(Honey Creek Spider x Jr's Janey)

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High X-Pectations!! The Perfect Balance!

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Jacob as a 3 rd generation profesional trainer, I can tell you this. I started working dogs for my Grandfather and uncles at 12 years old and haven't stopped to this day. It Started with hounds and led to bird dogs as a full time profession. Hounds are a passion in my off season I hunt extremely hard and start and finish hounds while my client dogs are home during the winter months. I Train walking horses as well that we compete and handle dogs off of. In my early twenties I didn't know or understand half of what I do today. Experience only comes with time and a multitude of dogs, mistakes and successes. God gave you two ears so you might listen more than you talk. All you had to do is say thanks for the advice Mr. Jim and move on. Instead you turned this into a defensive battle having all you friend to post on your behalf. Dog men are Dog men know matter what breed or game is pursued. You need to show some more class Jacob. Deleting my post isn't going to earn you any respect. I or anyone else have every right to question you based up on your reactions to simple advice. You assumed way too much. if you had any experience on any level you would understand that. It was ok for you to let you buddies bash my post and see your side. but you deleted my attempt to make everyone understand the facts and where I was coming from. Really disapointed in you Jacob. I thought you were better than this. Discredit me again. I Have all kinds of time and friends all over the country. I haven' t once posted all the private messages I have about this stupid mess. I will if you keep trying to cool the burn with your buddies. If you don't understand the mistakes you have made hear your clearly someone to be aware of. My website is Legacybirddogs.com I haven't updated it for a good while but check it out. feel free to pick and bash all you want on me.

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J&C5891
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Jimmy im not picking or bashing you at all....you exactly rigjt u have the right to ask any question u desire...all I asked was for u to call me....I havent had one buddy of mine post on the Tuffman pups...all done it in their own free will...Jimmy im neither mad nor upset just stating my opinion...Your right expwrience comes with age..but please dont disrespect me because im in my twenties

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606-269-1062

After Dark Kennels
Home Of

GRNT' Jrs Janey
(Xjr x Insane Jane)

GRNT Trackman's Stylish Witch
(Trackman x Witchcraft

GRNT' Lonetree Style Legend
( Nocturnal Style x Southern Sky)

NTCH' Jessie Jane(2wins)
(Insane Cain X Chloe Cheyenne)

After Darks Jan-It
(Sweat It x Jr's Janey)

Itsy Bitsy Spider
(Honey Creek Spider x Jr's Janey)

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