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Just one thyroid question

For those of you with a thyroid dog what dosage of med are you giving and are you giving once a day or twice? Don't need another complete discussion of this issue, just dosage and frequency. Thank your for your input.

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Dosage depends on the dog. Start at .8 and regulate according to blood level. Used to give meds twice a day but newer studies show that it can be given once a day.

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4play do you give 1. twice a day for daily total of 2 mg or .5 twice a day for total of 1 mg.

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Richard Lambert from what I have read the newest thought is that once a day is best. Looks like it used to always be twice a day but when they did studies once a day was better. Thanks for the reply.

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I take my thyroid meds 1 time a day, in the morning 1 hour before eating that gives the meds time to absorb. Give on an empty stomach. Dave

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Once u get his level where u want it, hunt him regular amount for 2 weeks and check it again. The harder u hunt one, the more of it they need. If you keep giving that amount and stop hunting them the level will raise. It’s a fickle balance act

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4play do you give 1. twice a day for daily total of 2 mg or .5 twice a day for total of 1 mg.


1.0 2x a day each for 2.0 total

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Preacher Tom. The past has always been twice a day but I know a vet that his throughs are the same as what you read and any dog he prescribes the medicine to is ONCE a day.

That is totally contrary to everything I have ever heard on the subject. I know most twice a day medicines are becuase you want to maintain a level in your body and once a day spikes and goes away in about 12 hours and you don't maintain the average you need. I am confused do to relay on anything I say. Except I know one vet and agrees with what you have read.

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I take thyroid meds 1x a day, first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. I have done this for years under the care of a thyroid specialist. The thyroid gland on a normal subject acts exactly the same way in that the thyroid excreted the hormone first thing in the morning. The life of the Rx meds is 24 hours not 12 hours. If a grown adult human only needs 1 x day, why would a smaller dog need 2 x day? Both take the exact same thyroid medication. Dave

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I take thyroid meds 1x a day, first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. I have done this for years under the care of a thyroid specialist. The thyroid gland on a normal subject acts exactly the same way in that the thyroid excreted the hormone first thing in the morning. The life of the Rx meds is 24 hours not 12 hours. If a grown adult human only needs 1 x day, why would a smaller dog need 2 x day? Both take the exact same thyroid medication. Dave

Dave, you probably know this but most these coon hunters do not. Our bodies and animals alike run on a 24 hour cycle for so many different functions controlled by the brain, thyroid function being one of them. Levels of these hormones are not meant to be at a constant state they are meant to be highest in the wee hours of the morning then gradually tapering off throughout the day into evening and gradually rising again through the night for the wee hours peak again. A morning dose makes perfect sense. Your endocrinologist knows this unfortunately to many vets don't.

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Preacher Tom. The past has always been twice a day but I know a vet that his throughs are the same as what you read and any dog he prescribes the medicine to is ONCE a day.

That is totally contrary to everything I have ever heard on the subject. I know most twice a day medicines are becuase you want to maintain a level in your body and once a day spikes and goes away in about 12 hours and you don't maintain the average you need. I am confused do to relay on anything I say. Except I know one vet and agrees with what you have read.



Once a day is what is now recommended for dogs. It has to do with the half life of the medication. The half life for dogs is 10-16 hrs. Which is why the dosages for dogs is higher than people. The half life for people is 7 days.
I think most people when they have a dog checked just have the T4(TT4 test ran which is a screening test). The more expensive FreeT4 or full thyroid panel should also be done. There could be an underlying condition causing the thyroid to be low.

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Guess my vet knew this and I didn't trust him after paying him. lol He said once a day.

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You are correct and your post was spot on as usual, you continue to impress me with your wide range of knowledge. As I have stated several times before, you are s special person, always one of the first to help someone. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family. Dave

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Thanks everyone for the replies. It helps to get info from different sources. I am giving 1 mg per day, once per day, in the morning and feed at night. Preacher at least acts a lot better in the kennel. Bouncy and bright eyed which he had not been. Will take him tonight and see how he performs. No one could know how bad I want him to be ok. Just really like this dog.

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Hang in there, it takes some time to get it corrected, but a piece of cake after you get it stabilized. Dave

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Thought I would update this thread on how Preacher is doing. Been giving him 1.5 mg for about 30 days. About 30 days ago we did the full panel test that did show he had a thyroid problem. Started him at .8 in October, moved up to 1. and now at the 1.5 mg. each time he has been tested his level has been .9. Not one bit of improvement. He looks extremely good. His hunting has been up and down but is definitely better than when we started. Vet has looked for any underlying causes and can't find any. I really don't know what to do. Right now he's a decent coondog but he was a good night after night dog. Don't really think he will ever be back to what he was. Just thought I should let you guys know.

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Once u get his level where u want it, hunt him regular amount for 2 weeks and check it again. The harder u hunt one, the more of it they need. If you keep giving that amount and stop hunting them the level will raise. It’s a fickle balance act


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Thought I would update this thread on how Preacher is doing. Been giving him 1.5 mg for about 30 days. About 30 days ago we did the full panel test that did show he had a thyroid problem. Started him at .8 in October, moved up to 1. and now at the 1.5 mg. each time he has been tested his level has been .9. Not one bit of improvement. He looks extremely good. His hunting has been up and down but is definitely better than when we started. Vet has looked for any underlying causes and can't find any. I really don't know what to do. Right now he's a decent coondog but he was a good night after night dog. Don't really think he will ever be back to what he was. Just thought I should let you guys know.


Are you giving Meds in one dose per day or two?

Are you giving on an empty stomach?

My friend & I have a female that is a thyroid dog. We struggled for several years trying to get her level up from the low 1's. Started giving her morning dose on an empty stomach & within 60 days her level was up in the low 3's. Exact same dosage as previous year she had been taking Meds, just switching to 2/3 of her daily dosage on an empty stomach was an unreal change. It definitely showed in her performance in the woods. As has already been mentioned, every dog is different, & it will test ones patience trying to find the correct dosage amount/combination to fit their dog. Best of luck to you & I hope you're able to get your hound back to where he was.

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You must give thyroid med on an empty stomach so they can be absorbed. I take mine on an empty stomach at least 1 hour before eating anything. Just as your post stated, it MAKES the difference in how it works. Dave

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Vic and Dave have been giving dose at 8 in the morning. Full dose once a day. Feed at night. gone from .8 to 1.5 dose and level is .9. Vet has suggested going to split dose but can't really see how that could help. Think she's just at the point of trying anything. She has consulted with LSU.

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Well I thought I would update this thread. My Preacher dog has been back to normal for 2-3 weeks with hard hunting. Really glad to have him back. Treed two tonight and then ran one for 35 minutes and caught him on the ground. Funny thing is according to all the testing his level is still .9. Time to check again in about 10 days so we will see. All I know he is fun to hunt again.

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Glad to hear he is back to his old self and treeing coons. Just keep on giving the meds in the morning on an empty stomach, it definitely takes time to see the full results of the meds, but it WILL come. Dave

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Ok as someone that takes care of thyroids in people I will weigh in on this a little. I do thyroid surgery and maintain it after surgery, dogs and humans are NOT the same.

The medications have different half lives and dogs react different than humans.

A human would be dead, literally in the ground, at some of the levels these dogs run around on and seem fine only have a little issue with hunting. That low of a thyroid would kill a person.

So you can't really go by what works for humans, that's why they do these studies. There are plenty of medications that have different doses in humans than in dogs due to the different metabolism some the dose or frequency is higher in humans, some it is less it depends on the medication.

Also, this thyroid issue is "relatively" new in the vet world. Now the argument is has it always been this way and we just didn't know it and we just know about it now or has something changed.

That's why there is differences in the literature on the best dosage. We will know more in the future as they do more studies on the issue.

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Well I thought I would update this thread. My Preacher dog has been back to normal for 2-3 weeks with hard hunting. Really glad to have him back. Treed two tonight and then ran one for 35 minutes and caught him on the ground. Funny thing is according to all the testing his level is still .9. Time to check again in about 10 days so we will see. All I know he is fun to hunt again.
Happy to hear the good news about your hound enjoy the rest of your season....

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Well I thought I would update this thread. My Preacher dog has been back to normal for 2-3 weeks with hard hunting. Really glad to have him back. Treed two tonight and then ran one for 35 minutes and caught him on the ground. Funny thing is according to all the testing his level is still .9. Time to check again in about 10 days so we will see. All I know he is fun to hunt again.


This is the part about finding the right balance , If you lay him up and continue that same dosage , his level will climb. Many people bash me for saying that but I lived it with one and talked with several other guys that had the same issues. The one I personally had operated as good at 1.3 - 1.5 as anywhere . Some people say you want a 3 + on a hunting dog, but it didn’t help mine. Some people just try to discredit this info but I saw it work in mine and a couple others. Giving it away from food helps it stay more consistent also but I see people get on here and say it doesn’t. Some people claim you just give them to gain a edge in competition hunts but The main thing is he is back to making you happy. It’s a little bit of a balance game. If you back off hunting him and pay close attention to his actions in the pen you may notice a “younger” acting dog meaning he barks and jumps around more then normal. If that happens I would recheck his level because in mine that meant he was getting “high” on his level. To me it’s great to hear that a little medication can help him be enjoyable again. A lot of people just would call him a cull.....

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