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I have a 14 month old female that would run with my older dog. She wouldn’t leave my feet until my old dog struck a track but she would get to that track as fast as she could and opened up on track with her and went every step with her and treed. My old dog has passed now and I took her out the other night and again she wouldn’t leave my feet maybe 20 yds at best. I’m going trap a few coons and turn her loose on them. I’m just here to see if anyone else has had this happen before and if the drive in the dog will ever get any better. Thx

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I have a 14 month old female that would run with my older dog. She wouldn’t leave my feet until my old dog struck a track but she would get to that track as fast as she could and opened up on track with her and went every step with her and treed. My old dog has passed now and I took her out the other night and again she wouldn’t leave my feet maybe 20 yds at best. I’m going trap a few coons and turn her loose on them. I’m just here to see if anyone else has had this happen before and if the drive in the dog will ever get any better. Thx

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if you think she was really trailing with your old dog i would turn a coon loose WITHOUT her seeing it once they use thier nose dont ever let them see a live coon in a trap you might put a bucket feeder out to give somewhere to go sit an let her do her thing J.M.o.

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Don’t worry with a coon right now just take her on walks in the woods till she starts to leave you like she is suppose to you pretty much have a 14 month stuck in a 6 month old state of mind

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Not much hope. Some day she may hunt some and tree some coons but lack of desire will remain with her always

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I like to make a suggestion , try walking your dog in the daylight 6 or 7 times and see how she acts,sometimes it's a confidence thing with young dogs, unless you have unlimited resources and a unlimited supply of dogs ( getting rid) of them is not always the ansewer.....just a quick way out keep us posted!

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
I'd have gotten rid of her way before the old dog died. [/QUOTE
You might have got rid of a nice dog!
14 month is still a pup , lots of learning let.
There’s no telling how many pups we all have sold or gave away that would of made someone a nice dog☹️

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I'd respectfully disagree with those telling you to walk her around. Your old dog was carrying her hunting, and now she expects you to.
If she were mine, I'd drop her a few times and wait her out. Sit in the truck, play on your phone, take a nap, but don't walk her. When you do, you're reinforcing a bad habit.
Personally, I wouldn't be real excited about a young dog that I had to encourage to go hunting. But if her training to this point has encouraged her to be that way, why should you expect anything else?

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Cut you a switch and put her in the woods and out from under your feet.

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I'd respectfully disagree with those telling you to walk her around. Your old dog was carrying her hunting, and now she expects you to.
If she were mine, I'd drop her a few times and wait her out. Sit in the truck, play on your phone, take a nap, but don't walk her. When you do, you're reinforcing a bad habit.
Personally, I wouldn't be real excited about a young dog that I had to encourage to go hunting. But if her training to this point has encouraged her to be that way, why should you expect anything else?

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
I'd have gotten rid of her way before the old dog died. [/QUOTE
You might have got rid of a nice dog!
14 month is still a pup , lots of learning let.
There’s no telling how many pups we all have sold or gave away that would of made someone a nice dog☹️

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I had one like you describe at one time, I went to a good place that she could hit a coon and sat down and waited for her to leave. It worked and she turned out to be a pretty nice dog. It may take a while but just wait her out.

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Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
I've never seen one I didn't like at 6 months old that made a dog I wanted.

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Originally posted by Cotton 1927
So just asking what's your cull date 13 weeks? 4 months? 8 months ? Your culling by age the op never gave any details on how much the dog had been hunted, wouldn't it be nice just look at the DOB and say there not gonna make it!

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Originally posted by houndsound
While one can never find the perfect age to know when to cull.... I would rather accidentally get rid of one good dog I culled too early... then to mess with a junk dog for a year because I culled too late.

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Originally posted by Cotton 1927
I was waiting......a lot of folks get soured up on a pup or young dog and from that point forward it never gets a chance , a dogs worst enemy at that point is his owner not his pedigree,

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a lot of folks get soured up on a pup or young dog and from that point forward it never gets a chance , a dogs worst enemy at that point is his owner not his pedigree,

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Reuben I agree with you Sir we all like those early starting dogs and we should breed for them but the reality of it is even when we cross the very best early starting dogs we own there's no guarantee we will get the same , so we have to look beyond our wants, and realize sometimes you just gotta put in the time with young dogs, there's no shortcuts to hunting time and exposure .....

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Originally posted by Cotton 1927
So just asking what's your cull date 13 weeks? 4 months? 8 months ? Your culling by age the op never gave any details on how much the dog had been hunted, wouldn't it be nice just look at the DOB and say there not gonna make it!

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All replies are appreciated. She came out of an all grand pedigree but that doesn’t mean anything Ik that. She has a home at my house forever and I may be wasting my time or I might not. That is the only reason I am still giving her a chance.

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You got to know the story on a pup. I've never seen a pup that was doing it to it at 7 months old turn out to be anything. But i have seen a dog that was 3 years old that didn't hit a lick that turned out to be a crackerjack. And if you got a Walker dog there's a good chance he's in the pedigree. And one thing more most people are not puppy trainers. I start pups but I don't finish them simply because that's what I like to do I have been told why you wasting your time on that pup just for the same person to try to buy it 6 months later. But a dog hanging under your feet will never do anything cut you a switch and put that sucker in the woods don't make it comfortable hanging out with you or just make him a yard dog. Help yourself to help your dog. Is it going to be a switch or a .22 bullet some times a heavy hand is all you need.

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I wish I had that kind of talent that I could look at a pup 4 or5 months after he was weaned and decide if it was gonna be a coon dog or not,I got Johns number around here some place I might see if I can get me a copy of that book ......

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Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
On pups I raise. 6-8 months.

I don't care if they have never been out of the kennel at 14 months, it doesn't take a walk with wick book to tell you that if a dog has been hunted a few times and it won't leave your feet until another dog barks it is junk.

Y'all can pup whisper this thing all you want, but not many are gonna be good at their job, and this pup is one of them.

I don't care if he totes the thing around till it's ten, it's still gonna be sorry.

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A few things considered
If ya want early starters ya don't mess with late starters.
If ya can't cull and move on. Your stuck with anything and everything.
If ya put the effort and time into a pup you'll know between 6 months to year old . It really depends on the handler much more than the pup. Most don't want to hear that because it puts the pressure on themselves but it's a fact.

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Like it or not Josh was telling the truth, no matter what age a dog is, they either got drive ( hunt ) or they do not. Yes, you can walk them over tracks, but they will never be a good hunting dog. Years ago, a lot of pups had no hunt to them, that worked in a pack mentality, it does not work hunting them by themselves. I saw so many pups that would not hunt in my younger days that I absolutely started hating the thought of hunting pups. Most stood around your feet making so much noise in the dry leaves that you had a hard time hearing the old dogs running a track. Today's pups are a different breed and most will hunt good even before they start running a track or treeing. I would never spend any real time with a dog that will not hunt, not when most dogs hunt good these days. Dave

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