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I think everyone has figured out by now that I am not a fan of the new "format / policy changes" that are coming about after the first of the year. Now, I know that the powers that be are not going to pull their heads out of that warm dark spot and rescind this idiotic format before it starts so just be forewarned at the club levels that you are going to see even fewer and fewer hunters showing up at your events as the new year progresses. Also, for those of you that have a stud dog you can forget the titles meaning anything since there will be an overabundance of titled dogs in a big hurry when this kicks in. I truly hope I am wrong on this, but, I really think that this will be a really big nail in the UKC coonhound programs coffin.

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The hunt numbers are down and have been for some time now. Saying that, it will be harder to champion a dog under the new format, I. E. 5 cast wins vs the 100 point needed currently. You rarely see 3 casts of registered dogs at the local club hunts and a dog winning it's cast is assured iof a 1st, 2nd or 3rd place finish. It's fairly easy to finish a reg dog to night champion in 3 hunts now, the new format will require 5 cast wins with plus POINTS to nite champion. Night champion to grand maybe easier with the new system, but not much. Overall, the new system will equate to a fairer system, as it eliminates the honeyhole advantage. Let's give this system a chance to work out, before all the gloom and doom talk. P.S. I have a dog with a first place win that I may finish under the new system, rather than get the win under the old system. Why, because it's too easy under the old system, especially after getting a first place win. IMO. dave

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I'm for the policy/format changes. Hunt attendance was already in major decline, so even if the changes dont work at least they tried. It will be a lil harder to make night champ & a lil easier to make Grand, but surely no one in todays times is trying to promote a stud on just UKC titles..

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Can make night champion right now. I like the changes coming.

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The changes that are coming ain't gonna change squat, a poodle could finish out now and a poodle will still finish then. These changes AIN'T GONNA CHANGE JACK, JACK!

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Put me on your list for one of those nite champion poodles, dog feed is getting high and I could save some money. Lol. Dave

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Look forward to the changes myself. Well see how they pan out but I see nothing but positive coming from them. But that's just my opinion. And we all know about those.

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Changes are fine by me I will still only make about 9-10 hunts a year max , no matter what. A lot of folks pleasure hunt. It is finally REALLY cooling off super nice night took Judge and Sandy , trailed one cold track about 3/4 of a mile and treed him on the outside that rascal was in a big fork about 20 feet up in a giant Red Oak asleep. He was no even perturbed by all the racket. LOL

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Dave

I agree that the numbers have been down for some time and it has been too easy to title a dog but this isn't going to fix anything, it will only make matters worse. Very few people will keep hunting the GRNT's, so those numbers won't go up. These titles should be harder to get, the cast win equals a win system is like giving participation awards, everyone gets a trophy now. What I would have done would cost UKC some money in the hunt license department but ultimately made more money for the clubs and put more prestige on the titles. As far as the honeyhole advantage goes, there will always be people that take care of their coon population and bring in good scores I have always been one of them. Under this new system I will be going to extra efforts to wipe out the coons
in my hunting spots and start hunting dogs that will blow out deep and get one tree'd before the hunt time runs out. Since I won't need a big score to get a win , I sure as crap won't give your dog a chance to tree easy coons and beat me if I'm guiding.

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Here is what I would have done to change the system.

1. All clubs go back to 5 (2 hour) hunts a year.

2. Leave the requirements to make NTCH and GRNT alone.

3. If a club doesn't have at least 2 casts of dogs in any division the points can still count but no credit given for a win or first place. Treat it just like a Just like a bench show win with no competition.

4. If a club consistently has very low numbers, stop allowing them to have UKC hunts . All of these 2, 3 or 4 dog hunts that we see now are what is killing the program.

5. UKC needs to look closely at the clubs in close proximity to each other to see how many "clubs" are operating out of the same building. I know of 2 that not only share the same building but point of contact as well. hmmmm ?

I don't like the freebie wins, that only hurts the way people look at the winners. Having too many hunts to choose from hurts the clubs more than it helps them. I used to drive 60 or 70 miles to a hunt and hunt against 20 or 30 dogs because there weren't any other hunts to go to. Now I can sit back and wait, drive 20 or 30 miles at the most and hunt against 2 or 3 dogs. Adding more hunts and letting the clubs get out of control is what pushed the numbers down in the first place, and now they can self destruct even faster with double headers.

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At the last club meeting , all members were all for these new rules. I mean all of us! Good job u.k.c.

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Your not gonna have bigger numbers when there are less hunters. These rules didn't make past hunters or anyone else say, well ****, let's go back to hunting.

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I don't know how old any of you guys are but they are trying to appeal to younger hunters. They didn't go through the breed associations to do this so in 6 months it ain't working they can tweek it or change it. I know they got a plan b if it don't and rules changes are in a year. It's not my game no more you got to get the young folks interested.



Give it a chance.


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Sounds like Tar is gonna start a club back up? Just give it a chance! JesseJ

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Originally posted by georgef072007
Here is what I would have done to change the system.

1. All clubs go back to 5 (2 hour) hunts a year.

2. Leave the requirements to make NTCH and GRNT alone.

3. If a club doesn't have at least 2 casts of dogs in any division the points can still count but no credit given for a win or first place. Treat it just like a Just like a bench show win with no competition.

4. If a club consistently has very low numbers, stop allowing them to have UKC hunts . All of these 2, 3 or 4 dog hunts that we see now are what is killing the program.

5. UKC needs to look closely at the clubs in close proximity to each other to see how many "clubs" are operating out of the same building. I know of 2 that not only share the same building but point of contact as well. hmmmm ?

I don't like the freebie wins, that only hurts the way people look at the winners. Having too many hunts to choose from hurts the clubs more than it helps them. I used to drive 60 or 70 miles to a hunt and hunt against 20 or 30 dogs because there weren't any other hunts to go to. Now I can sit back and wait, drive 20 or 30 miles at the most and hunt against 2 or 3 dogs. Adding more hunts and letting the clubs get out of control is what pushed the numbers down in the first place, and now they can self destruct even faster with double headers.

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I would if I could find about 10 kids foaming at the mouth about coonhunting like me and you was.


Oh buy the way thanks for the water you sent me lake is going to crest at 6.33 tommorrow can't take you hunting it's flooded but if you come over we will catch a catfish I am hooking up the boat now !!



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The local coonhunting clubs numbers are gone forever and that not going to change the new format looks fine to me but all registries' are struggling most coon clubs are running on fumes because entries won't pay the bills 14 years ago I hunted at 2 clubs in 2 different registry's they had 3 to 8 dogs hunting in them the still hunt about the same number today there are very few coon clubs left anymore the only growth is at national events Coonhunting has about 8 to 12 good years left all you have to do is look at the numbers and age of most hunters enjoy what you have because when the fat lady starts really singing down the road 10 yrs from now none of this will matter

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If I understand it right there will be a lot of new NtCh come January 1st, everyone says with the low numbers and only 1 or 2 cast a NtCh comes easy but not so much for some dogs, 5 cast wins and no 1st place but wake up January 1st 2019 and go look in your Kennels, he is now a NtCh.

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George
Try not to get upset with what I say but maybe think about what I'm saying.
It sounds like your just ungreatfull for what you have. Spoiled if ya will. Be glad you don't have to drive far to find a club house close instead of complaining about it. Be glad you have a good coon population instead of complaining it would make it to easy for a subpar dog to tree a coon. Don't worry about old so n so's dog that got an easy title because it may have been a big accomplishment for them and that's ok. Your dogs can enter hunts that only have hunt numbers you would approve of. Well I probably said more than I should have and you can be mad at me or think about it which ever you want.

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George
Try not to get upset with what I say but maybe think about what I'm saying.
It sounds like your just ungreatfull for what you have. Spoiled if ya will. Be glad you don't have to drive far to find a club house close instead of complaining about it. Be glad you have a good coon population instead of complaining it would make it to easy for a subpar dog to tree a coon. Don't worry about old so n so's dog that got an easy title because it may have been a big accomplishment for them and that's ok. Your dogs can enter hunts that only have hunt numbers you would approve of. Well I probably said more than I should have and you can be mad at me or think about it which ever you want.

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I wouldn't talk about kids today being on this or that when you old farts are online blowing all the time. If you knew as much as you thought,maybe things would've changed a long time ago. It's easy to sit and look back.

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Greed & Selfishness .

Numbers are falling cause the cycle has been broken!!! Ive been seeing it with my own eyes.
15-20 yrs ago we had about 5-7 youth active in our club that WANTED to hunt. We couldnt gather up enough youth now to make 1 cast.
Today Cell phones and Video games have captured the minds of our youth.
The adults are letting it happen because THEY THEMSELVES can now go off leave that kid at home in front of a TV ( neighbor kid or your own ) and pacify their own desire to win and achieve what they want for SELF. YOU may win now, but in the end our SPORT dies.

If there was ever a time we need to involve our youth its TODAY. Some are great about it but most dont care.
Taking and teaching one is ALOT of work . Just like starting a young pup. You was a youth once . Who took you ? Now be that guy.

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Ive talked to several hunters around here that are looking forward to the changes and some $ guys who are gonna check them out also. I wish all dogs hunted together, but overall Im glad they made changes. Hopefully rule changes are next..

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George the only problem I see is like right here where I live because of all the clubs that have shut down ( they let go to far before they made changes ) it's 2 1/2 hours to a club in any direction. People are going to look at it like now I got to get 5 wins instead of 3 probly cost you $600 to make a ntch. Up north where there are high density clubs it will thrive because more hunts shorter distances. 16 hours to a major hunt is not interesting to me anymore so I just decided to hunt my dogs if I feel like it I will go to a hunt. I got an 8 month old pup that's going to be the one haven't had one like him in years maybe in 2 yrs when I get ready to hunt him this will all be straitened out. They need to make it where the moh or hunt director can hunt I don't want to set while everybody else gets to hunt no more.



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I wouldn't talk about kids today being on this or that when you old farts are online blowing all the time. If you knew as much as you thought,maybe things would've changed a long time ago. It's easy to sit and look back.

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