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Originally posted by yadkintar
Sonny you ever heard one of the old folks say ( it ain't how much money you make its how much you save ) I think the problem with today's hounds are they got them bred so high strung to where they are unpredictable. Watch the play by plays they will be beating the brakes off everything. Then make a stupid mistake that opens the door for let's say a back packer to beat them. Less mistakes equals more wins. This is from watching the dogs competing on the highest levels.



It ain't how many points you score it's how many you keep.


From the old folks home.


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Originally posted by joey
I watched a blue gyp win the TX state hunt one night and she never treed a coon. She drew 2 coondogs on a 3 dog cast. It worked out for her to run back and forth between the 2 getting 75 on 7 coon that with her strike points gave her 975. The gyp that treed 4 lost the cast with 950. That's the reason for a count down.

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We need the count down badly. And a stronger babbling rule or more judges willing to use the one we got.

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Originally posted by JiM
Mr Allen, I guess that's reason I've never minded being a small timer. We can take our dogs to 8 different clubs, hunting both KC's, all of them withing an hour or so. And week in and week out, you are hunting against guys and gals you have drawn many times before. You know them, they know us and everyone is considered a friend. There will be disagreements and the occasional cast vote but things are always settled in the woods and getting it broke off in you is a rare thing that dont never get repeated

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I didn't mean for the original question on the need for a count down in UKC to turn into a question on cheating. I simply commented on the possibility that someone somewhere will possibly do what I described. I also agree that cheating is not widespread, but it does take place, sort of like being on a hunt and at the second drop the hunting judge telling the cast that after hearing everybody's dog on the first drop that he will call their dogs the rest of the hunt.

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Originally posted by J I Allen
I didn't mean for the original question on the need for a count down in UKC to turn into a question on cheating. I simply commented on the possibility that someone somewhere will possibly do what I described. I also agree that cheating is not widespread, but it does take place, sort of like being on a hunt and at the second drop the hunting judge telling the cast that after hearing everybody's dog on the first drop that he will call their dogs the rest of the hunt.

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Who makes rule changes, Names, Phone Number, how do we contact them?

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Aren't rule changes made every 3 years? At least that's the way it's been. If so Next rule change ( actual hunt rules change) will be voted on by breed reps. at Autumn Oaks next year and take effect Jan, 1st 2020.

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Who is the breed reps? How did they become a breed rep? Did they get voted in or chosen?

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The real question is "why do breed reps vote on comp. rule changes?" I understand letting them vote on breed issues, but let comp. hunters vote on the rules pertaining to the hunts..

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There are 7 Chartered breed assoc. in the UKC. Each one have a vote on rule changes that are presented at the Rules meeting during A.O. I believe each breed assoc. present rule changes that their members would like to see. You would have to belong to a breed assoc. B&T, LEOPARD, BLUETICK, ENGLISH, PLOTT, REDBONE, TREEING WALKER. I'm not sure how the reps. are chosen, but I would think it would be at each breeds National Hunt.

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So all who want a tree countdown,are you willing to drop first tree to 100?

From 125 to 50 in a minute,seems like alot....

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Heck We don’t even know who to lobby to get a rule change LMBO!

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Originally posted by Billy George
So all who want a tree countdown,are you willing to drop first tree to 100?

From 125 to 50 in a minute,seems like alot....

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Because if you hunt honest strike dogs :


25 strike and 125 tree = 150

100 strike and 75 tree at 4 minutes is 175.


Strike them on the babble and lean on you all night that's why !!



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There are 7 Chartered breed assoc. in the UKC. Each one have a vote on rule changes that are presented at the Rules meeting during A.O. I believe each breed assoc. present rule changes that their members would like to see. You would have to belong to a breed assoc. B&T, LEOPARD, BLUETICK, ENGLISH, PLOTT, REDBONE, TREEING WALKER. I'm not sure how the reps. are chosen, but I would think it would be at each breeds National Hunt.

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Originally posted by Billy George
So all who want a tree countdown,are you willing to drop first tree to 100?

From 125 to 50 in a minute,seems like alot....

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Get rid of the strike completely, first tree for 100 and everything after that trees for 25... I bet people start breeding for coon treer's then instead of technicality dogs. I like a first strike dog personally but I believe that a dog that trees the most coons should win, I believe a first tree should be worth more then a first strike, and I also believe that you should take away any chance of a me twoing idiot winning a cast hence all trees but first tree in at 25.

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So no one can name there breed reps? the few that make the rules?

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Scratch any dog that has been treeing, but has not open( to insure there are no silent dogs).




This is very hard to enforce because you can strike on a locate and wait to tree when you want to and it’s hard to “prove” when the dog treed.

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Originally posted by Sonny Phipps
Scratch any dog that has been treeing, but has not open( to insure there are no silent dogs).




This is very hard to enforce because you can strike on a locate and wait to tree when you want to and it’s hard to “prove” when the dog treed.

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Then again I say your getting spotted 75 strike points with a silent dog if you can't beat him the problem is on the end of your leash !!



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Close the tree after 2min. Any dog thats that far behind deserves no points regardless of where its struck..

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Of all the cast I've been on since 1974 I've only been beaten by a "ME-TO'er" once. And would not have been beaten by him if he had not been ill and light broke.

I am against the count-down tree points. If my dog does not get 1st tree and there are no other dogs at the tree I will wait until the last to claim second tree. This is to give your dog a chance to leave; and it won't be because my dog forced it to leave. I quit hunting a dog if it causes trouble at the tree.

Breed Reps for the rules committee are usually picked from the officers and board members and most are avid competitors.

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Leave it like it is. Scoring changes ain't gonna solve nothing.

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