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Larry we did not have the technology to cheat like they do today. Maybe fake eyeballs or somthing. I hunted with some great dog men and they didn't have to cheat they had top dogs now all we had was our lights (not very good ones ) boots and dog for three hours all you had was your mind somwhere if it was a close cast you might pitch your dog on strike or see an eye that may not of been there most of the time those old timers just let you mess your self up. It pales in comparison what's happening today. Depending who you are and who your money man is goes a long ways on if you are disciplined or not I been on the receiving end of that in a $$$ kc world hunt and I was hunting a $$$ kc world champion in their world hunt when they done it long story short the owner of the kc told me to go on home you ain't winning this one and they ain't got one dime of my money since. Now they are reaping what they sowed look at the $$$ ss numbers this year they finding out who pays the bills now !!



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I competed in my first hunts back in the 80’s , not as long in the tooth as some of you but not a new comer either. I have seen great dog work and handlers with sportsmanship over the years and I have seen fake eyes and judges paid hundreds of dollars to do certain things. My take has always been is that we need to hold ourself and our cast to the level of honor we expect. I see plenty of good sportsmanship in today’s hunts of all registries. A lot of it seems to be a reflection of how u conduct yourself. If you treat others with respect and fairness, they most generally do the same.

What I don’t really think is a redo of a rule that doesn’t fit someone all the time. I’ve caught a bad break that cost me before and I’ve got a break at the right time that helped me, it’s part of the game. Right or wrong “ The best dog doesn’t always win” and sometimes it’s a “opinion” of how things should how gone that cause the question. JMO

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I agree but it is hard to weed out the cheats when they are elected to boards and let to be incharge and involved at a high level of our sport.........

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I haven’t been in but a few casts but it seemed to me people were interested in pointing out the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law. It is not shameful to be beaten by a better dog but shame on the handler who uses the rules to take advantage of the situation.

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And who won out of this fine group of hounds I bet it was 1 of the 3 related

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Larry we did not have the technology to cheat like they do today. Maybe fake eyeballs or somthing. I hunted with some great dog men and they didn't have to cheat they had top dogs now all we had was our lights (not very good ones ) boots and dog for three hours all you had was your mind somwhere if it was a close cast you might pitch your dog on strike or see an eye that may not of been there most of the time those old timers just let you mess your self up. It pales in comparison what's happening today. Depending who you are and who your money man is goes a long ways on if you are disciplined or not I been on the receiving end of that in a $$$ kc world hunt and I was hunting a $$$ kc world champion in their world hunt when they done it long story short the owner of the kc told me to go on home you ain't winning this one and they ain't got one dime of my money since. Now they are reaping what they sowed look at the $$$ ss numbers this year they finding out who pays the bills now !!


Dang TAR that sounds like racism and discrimination to me LOL , I think we might need to add safe spaces too.
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Won my first round. Won my second round and one of his buddy's put a hell Mary question on the card and the owner sets down on the panel and then tells me that you call it what you want !! But they won't get me again !! But down in cleburne Texas at our club when $$$ was just getting started in its infancy he was at our club everytime we had a $$$ kc hunt you help Sombody build a kc then they forget and chit on you.



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I am getting ready now to head out to a RKC hunt tonight 3 dog cast all related LOL

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Rumatizum kennel club ?



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PRETTY CLOSE TAR , MADE 3 TREES TONIGHT SEEN COON IN 2 OF EM , MY ELIJAH PUP SPLIT TREED FROM HIS GRAND SIRE AND GRAND DAM , COULD NOT FIND IT BUT IT WAS A GOOD LOOKING TREE. SO I THINK MY YOUNG DOG GETS THE CAST WIN ON THIS ONE. EVEN THOUGH HE GOT LAST STRIKE BOTH DUMPS , LAST TREE ON THE FIRST AND CIRCLE ON HIS TREE. WHAT DO YOU THINK TAR. IS THAT WITHIN THE RKC RULE BOOK.

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Mine will be ready to hunt tommorrow night after being in heat going to get her ready to get that last win then she's got to train my pup this fall getting darker earlier getting cooler I am ready !!



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Larry we did not have the technology to cheat like they do today. Maybe fake eyeballs or somthing. I hunted with some great dog men and they didn't have to cheat they had top dogs now all we had was our lights (not very good ones ) boots and dog for three hours all you had was your mind somwhere if it was a close cast you might pitch your dog on strike or see an eye that may not of been there most of the time those old timers just let you mess your self up. It pales in comparison what's happening today. Depending who you are and who your money man is goes a long ways on if you are disciplined or not I been on the receiving end of that in a $$$ kc world hunt and I was hunting a $$$ kc world champion in their world hunt when they done it long story short the owner of the kc told me to go on home you ain't winning this one and they ain't got one dime of my money since. Now they are reaping what they sowed look at the $$$ ss numbers this year they finding out who pays the bills now !!
Huh? Cheating is extremely limited to the elites only? Say it aint so.



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Shoot swampy I guess it ain't cheaten if you got enough cabbage to influence important people into seeing things your way lol.


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Bingo, nailed it! And hunters won't stand up when they got'em dead to right. Let'm talk'em into going back out and finishing hunts while their pawns witdraw and sit at club and plot about it. File the blankty complaint form and send it in yourself cause they sure aint. Gonna throw it in trash can. And you can treat them with all the respect in the world and it won't change one thing, their professionals at cheating, well schooled. Thats why some withdraw as fast as they can after cast are called. Just say'n.

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It happens in all registry's last week at the super stakes it happened in the final cast a dog was scored 2 times on the same tree and won but pkc threw the question out

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What value does a person have that cheats to win? How can any "win" that one cheats to get, mean anything? Once a person gets the CHEATER label, every win they get is suspect and can hold no value. The old adage "there is no honor among theives" rings true, as there is no HONOR. Dave

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Its not honor their seeking, they want attention along with all the 💰 they can make from it. Kinda like what Tonya Harding did to Nancy Kerrigan. It's been attempted in coonhound world many times in past 40 Years till present day ,some suceeded and some didn't . Jealousy, envy is a incurable disease among some.

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Funny that these crooks get barred in one Registry, but welcomed into another Registry. ALL REGISTRIES should ban them, NO EXCEPTIONS. TRUST is earned and once you loose it, you never get it back. Prisons are full of "innocent" people to hear the inmates, in reality very very few innocent people reside in prisons. People can change, but crooks should always be suspect they earned the right. Dave

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Don't go to comp hunts for awhile, then go to one and draw about 2 or 3 in your cast. The first thing one will say is"quote" I'm not like I was back then, speaking to you alone. Then their on the phone with bigtime kennel owner of dog their hunting and he saying how big a cheater the judge is. Turns out he's right too. Its a terrible mess down here and has been for a decade worse I've ever seen in35 years of coonhunting. Nobody want stand up to them. They take the win their given when the cheaters withdraw and it only keeps the cycle going for the next hunt, and next and next. Feel out a complaint form and send to ukc yourself. They can't stop you, they do not rule. Fill it out and keep it, put it in mail immediately. They cannot stop you. Hearsay, calling ukc is not gonna get it stopped.

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