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CARONA DEATH

WILL HOT KILL CORONA?

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Carona

I thought anything above 80 degrees would kill it...
Dang, there shouldnt be any left here in Indiana....LOL

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It will be around til The election.

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It will be around til The election.


Throughout the world, they are working on vaccines for this global pandemic.

Just imagine if all it took was an election to solve the problem. But, which one? Brazil? India? UK? Spain? Chile? Peru? Mexico?

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Sir. You are spot on, I just do not understand why some folks think this virus is some kind of hoax. We are seeing a big spike in the area that I live, I am staying HOME and Praying that neither myself or my wife gets this virus, as we both are in a very high risk group. Nothing hoax about thus virus and I hope we get a vaccine soon. Dave

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Dave you just keep that vaccine to your self. The virus isn't a hoax but everything about it is. It's no different than the flu. It's here it's always going to be here.
Some fear death more than living free.

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Remember what I’m saying. There will be a vaccine and better treatments sometime before the elections. It will be very beneficial for the Trump cause.

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Remember what I’m saying. There will be a vaccine and better treatments sometime before the elections. It will be very beneficial for the Trump cause.


We can all pray that is the case, and rejoice in the fact it helps Mr. Trump.

A Biden win would be far worse on America than any virus could ever be.

VOTE TRUMP 2020

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We can all pray that is the case, and rejoice in the fact it helps Mr. Trump.

A Biden win would be far worse on America than any virus could ever be.

VOTE TRUMP 2020



Like Trump or not, the above is a FACT!!

Biden has 'sold his sole' to try and get elected.
Beto will be in charge of taking OUR guns for his backing
AOC will be in charge of Green New Deal for her backing him{no cars,planes}
'Free' college now for Bernie to back him.I'm betting bernie will be his running mate VP.We all know nothing is 'free'.
Heard last night Biden will do away with 'Trump's Muslim ban'......so back to open borders for terrorists..........

Corrona is like the Flu.Seasonal and here forever.Blame China,not Trump for it.

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Dave you just keep that vaccine to your self. The virus isn't a hoax but everything about it is. It's no different than the flu. It's here it's always going to be here.
Some fear death more than living free.



Good post. I looked up current national numbers this morning. 3.9 million known cases in America. 143,000 deaths.

That alone tells us 96.4% of people survive this.

Now consider which of those numbers would change if we could know everything. Common sense tells us there are not a bunch of people falling over dead from Covid that we don't know about- in fact there are suspicions that some of the deaths attributed to Covid were from other primary reasons.... Heart attack, etc.... So the number of deaths is likely accurate, or too high

Now the other number, known cases, common sense tells me there is likely a high number of people that had it and never got tested. So the number of actual cases is likely low.

If the total number of cases is higher than what is known, and the number of deaths is about the same, the survivability rate is much higher than 96.4%... probably more like 99%.

So.... Nobody thinks it is a hoax; however, creating panic, reporting daily on it, destroying an economy, closing schools, restricting travel, limiting freedom, and creating a "new norm" over a disease with 94.6 - 99 percent survivability rate is an absolute hoax.

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Corona is real, but

The corona virus is real, but I've been wondering about this. What would people have done back in the late 1700's, early 1800's if Corona virus came along. Could half the people living in America just stop working? What would happen if they did? I don't think society could have afforded that back then. Can society afford it now? Looks like we are going to find out.

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SARS, H1N1 we had no shut downs ?

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Pamjohnson, I like your post for one reason. It is the closest thing the the truth spoken about this nonsense. We don't know the truth. That is a problem when dealing with something. Not knowing the truth.

Yes the virus in real.

I know one 30 year old that got it. Lives with his 70 something grandfather. He was sick and weak off and on for a week. Grandfather never had any indication of getting it and not sick at all. I know several positive and there was one or two days of not feeling good. Mostly a headache and weakness.
When the government says you can't go to church but you can protest in the streets. I quit listening right then and there and know it is politically driven. I could give another 20 examples but will spare you.

I am 71 and have lived my life after the news broke about covid 19 as I did before. I go to work everyday. I go shopping when I need to. I go out to eat at least twice a week. I go to Church. Yea we have quit hugging as much and social distancing has kicked in somewhat. But wearing a mask, no. Not really against them. Just see no purpose as you can read 10 reasons they work and 10 reasons they don't. Someone tell me the truth, show me the facts. I will go with them. For or against the issues for political reasons don't make sense to me. The testing is a joke. One friend tested positive which I was in contact with and he had to go back and get a negative before he could return to work. He went back to the same places that tested him the first time and they said they had no record of him being there or being tested anywhere. Two major hospitals down here. Were only sending in positive results without data on how many were negative. Again whether is some truth to what is going on. I will take actions to protect myself and family. The day and how i die is already known to the Lord. No one can change that. It might be covid 19. Or it might be at the next stop sign I drive by. I sure don't worry about stop signs and I don't worry about covid19.

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Food for thought. We have never shut down like this. Deaths were higher. H1N1, bird, swine, ... People wishing for a vaccine? We have a flu vaccine.. and 60,000 still die every year.. but the same, recommended for older people, weakened immune systems... Etc... sound familiar?
When the President tried to stop travel from China.. who opposed that? Labeled him a xenophobic... Told people to embrace Chinatown, WHO said nothing to worry about, now.. Demorats say he didn't act fast enough. He is killing people for his slow reaction...

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Dave you just keep that vaccine to your self. The virus isn't a hoax but everything about it is. It's no different than the flu. It's here it's always going to be here.
Some fear death more than living free.

just had the wife spend 14 days in icu with it. Don't know yet if her lungs will recover. Keep believing it's no worse than the flu. If any of your family gets hospitalized with it just know you won't be allowed with them at all. For some it's way worse than the flu.

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Praying for your wife to have a full recovery, when it strikes you or someone you love it takes on a new meaning. When it's your family or loved ones that DIE from this VIRUS, numbers won't make any difference on how many survived. Percentages only really matter to those that are not affected personally. I sure do not have the answer to what is best for our country and NO ONE else has the answer. It seems like we are in a danged if you do and a danged if you don't situation. Dave

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Thankyou Dave much appreciated.

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Here is my thoughts on a mask. I say the majority wearing a mask handle them wrong and they increase the possibility of infection. Social distancing I understand and can agree with. Here is my problem with mask. Witnessed it today and see it often. Person takes off their mask with hands that have collected germs since the last hand washing. Then they out of habit generally fold or handle the mask a few minutes before putting in pocket or purse. Then they eat in a restaurant or do something and then get the mask out, handle it and put it back on. They then are inhaling everything on their mask that has come from their hands. I would rather keep the germs on my hands. Social distance and keep others germs at a distance. Doctors and nurses have training on putting mask and gloves on and taking off without spreading germs. Normal people don't think of this. They just feel protected which they are not.

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just had the wife spend 14 days in icu with it. Don't know yet if her lungs will recover. Keep believing it's no worse than the flu. If any of your family gets hospitalized with it just know you won't be allowed with them at all. For some it's way worse than the flu.


Hate you are going through that. I pray for you and your family. I hope my post about the percentages was not offensive to you. Just because I believe it's not bad for most people doesn't mean I'm naive to the pain of a loved one in pain and hospitalized. Keep us posted. God bless

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Yes, percentages are so and so and sound good on paper, but for those who have died and the families of those who have died, percentages do not mean a thing. Percentages can lull folks into a false sense of security, this VIRUS KILLS and will continue to KILL. Dave

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Yes, percentages are so and so and sound good on paper, but for those who have died and the families of those who have died, percentages do not mean a thing. Percentages can lull folks into a false sense of security, this VIRUS KILLS and will continue to KILL. Dave


I agree with that for the most part. But while percentages can lull folks into a false sense of security (which I agree we should avoid).... Ignoring percentages and looking at isolated , worse case scenarios only- will do the opposite.... Which seems to be direction our leaders are taking.

Our heart can break for those who suffer, and at the same time we can advocate for policies rooted in the norm, not the exception. These are not mutually exclusive positions, which unfortunately the media wants everyone to be on one side or the other.

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Essential workers who have been in this every day seem to have completely different outlook about the virus than those who have been locked down.

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Essential workers who have been in this every day seem to have completely different outlook about the virus than those who have been locked down.


I've spoken to everyone I know in the medical field... They seem pretty spilt. I'm a police officer... I know some officers who worry like crazy about having to go hands on with someone who just threw up on themselves, or running into a stranger's house to stop a domestic assault, or hauling a stranger to jail while he is coughing in the car with you.... And I know officers who don't have a worry in the world about it..... And I've found a very small percentage who take a balanced approach.

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Hate you are going through that. I pray for you and your family. I hope my post about the percentages was not offensive to you. Just because I believe it's not bad for most people doesn't mean I'm naive to the pain of a loved one in pain and hospitalized. Keep us posted. God bless
thankyou. I wasn't offended at all and thankyou for the prayers. Just looks like a long rehab. Until it happens to friends and family you'll find out in a hurry it's not a hoax, it's not like a cold or flu. It's one nasty virus that is capable of damaging lung, heart, and brain.

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While many folks will get the virus and not show symptoms and many of those won’t be tested...so that drives the percentage numbers up for those that get ill with it and verify with testing and then those that need hospitalization will be counted...

The thing is that some will die and many will have permanent damage once they recover from the virus...

What I believe needs to happen...continue social distancing and as many that can work from home to do so...and also stay away from large social gatherings if possible...

The reason...if we ease up on the restrictions too many people will become ill at once and will need extensive medical care and will need to be hospitalized and that number will be fairly high...the hospitals will be flooded with to many people that really need hospital care and it won’t be available and the medical staff will be overwhelmed with work and not enough personnel to handle the massive flood of people...all this will cause the death rate to rise considerably and the death rate will probably double or more...and those that survive will be many but many of those that survive will have permanent damage for the same reasons why many more will die...Not enough medical staff and facilities...not to mention medications...

Many people have said many things and many have been wrong...common sense has been lacking...

While I don’t like the restrictions, they are there for a good reason...

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