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Hear some say, he want make a competition hound , but a good meat dog. To me a lot of competition dogs are man made an a good meat dog is left alone an does what it’s bred to do. I was thinking how much better it would be if man didn’t put his 2 cents in an let a hound show what kinda blood is flowing through it’s veins

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Don’t have worry about rules you call him struck you call him treed and you write plus points on the scorecard. One of those will bring people to your doorstep a whole lot faster than them glossy magazine adds.



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Don’t have worry about rules you call him struck you call him treed and you write plus points on the scorecard. One of those will bring people to your doorstep a whole lot faster than them glossy magazine adds.



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If you don't have a dog that shows you the MEAT, you don't have nothing. Coon hunting should be about treeing and seeing coons in those trees. ACCURACY to me is what determines how good your dog is, without ACCURACY all you have is a dog not a coon dog. Dave

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I have had accurate dogs that was worthless in the hunts. Some of them wasn't even good meat /hide dogs. While I agree accuracy is so very important I have seen a few dogs that was not what I consider the most accurate that was still very very nice hounds. Now I'm not talking about a slick treer by no means.

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The 100% accurate dog that leaves coon sitting because they don't know that they are there is just as bad a the dog that slick trees. THEY MISSED THE COON EITHER WAY!

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I’d say the difference is speed.

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The 100% accurate dog that leaves coon sitting because they don't know that they are there is just as bad a the dog that slick trees. THEY MISSED THE COON EITHER WAY!

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Hear some say, he want make a competition hound , but a good meat dog.

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Just how in the world did an accurate dog become a dog that left coons sitting? When I say accurate I mean ACCURATE, a dog that can tree a litter of coons in a small area up different trees without missing. ACCURACY has nothing to do with track speed, milling trees, or any other faults a dog has. ACCURACY is a dog that takes their tracks as they come and shows you a coon when they tree. The best or most accurate dogs I have ever seen were ALL top COMPETITION DOGS as well as Top MEAT DOGS. Dave

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Just how in the world did an accurate dog become a dog that left coons sitting? When I say accurate I mean ACCURATE, a dog that can tree a litter of coons in a small area up different trees without missing. ACCURACY has nothing to do with track speed, milling trees, or any other faults a dog has. ACCURACY is a dog that takes their tracks as they come and shows you a coon when they tree. The best or most accurate dogs I have ever seen were ALL top COMPETITION DOGS as well as Top MEAT DOGS. Dave

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The 100% accurate dog that leaves coon sitting because they don't know that they are there is just as bad a the dog that slick trees. THEY MISSED THE COON EITHER WAY!

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I'm referring to score card 100% accuracy type dogs that in my mind miss and are inaccurate because although they don't tree slick they put up coon and go on as they have to be extremely confident to stay treed. Supremely accurate dogs usually have the coon treed within sight of the slick treeing dogs. They are rare just like superior track dogs.

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I don't think you fellows that are talking accuracy know anything but your own bragging.
Maybe some of you don't get out enough.
Treeing a opossum isn't accurate ?
All accurate dogs are confident?
All accurate dogs are track dogs?
Where do some of you come up with this stuff

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Wrong! An accurate dog is an accurate dog. He's not guessing or gambling. Is a superior track dog guessing where the coon went and running full throttle in that direction until he catches the coon? NO. He's a gifted track dog. He can move a track better than any other dog in the pack. Why do some dogs strike better from the truck than other dogs? They're gifted. An accurate tree dog is the same way. He has a gift very few have. it's hard to comprehend if you never saw one. They're rare. And they tree a lot of lay-up coons.

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I don't think you fellows that are talking accuracy know anything but your own bragging.
Maybe some of you don't get out enough.
Treeing a opossum isn't accurate ?
All accurate dogs are confident?
All accurate dogs are track dogs?
Where do some of you come up with this stuff

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But on a lighter note, if an accurate dog decides to tree a possum, he will have the possum.

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But on a lighter note, if an accurate dog decides to tree a possum, he will have the possum.

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A skinned possum leg looks just like a skinned chicken thigh...🤔😳

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It's amazing how some folks get things all twisted, makes me think they just can't read comprehensively, sure glad they are not a coon dog or they would be labeled " slick treer". I guess dogs are not the only slick treers in this world, I think he's there or I think he said this, kind of funny, isn't it? Dave

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Easy there, you will have Tars mouth watering. Lol. Dave

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A skinned possum leg looks just like a skinned chicken thigh...🤔😳

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I have never ate one, but that don't mean I wouldn't if I had to. We would ALL eat things we normally would not eat if it meant not starving to death. A lot of the mountain folks In my country used to eat possums, ground hogs, coons and any other game they could kill, back before Welfare, wild game beat nothing. Dave

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That's why back in the day the dogs treed something. At the end of the night you had to eat. If the dog could tree dinner it was dinner.

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Sgraves, I will try to give you my viewpoint on a couple things you said.

1. Dog won't make much of a comp hound but is a meat dog. For a dog to be a meat dog it has to tree coon and have the coon in the tree. You also need your comp dog that does this. The meat dog can do a lot of things that would get it minus points in a hunt the a pleasure hunter may overlook.
Many pleasure hunters still walk hunt. Their dog hunts close and around them. That dog treeing coon would be a good meat dog and perhaps not a good comp dog. A dog that trees a bunch of coon but their mouth is weak. Might be the best for competition hunting. Again a good meat dog but their mouth holds it back in competition.
Now the sad side of the coin is a dog that really isn't that good of a meat dog, getting sold as one with the excuse it isn't the comp dog the person wanted but a heck of a meat dog. Thats a lie and one used all to often to sell a dog.

2. You talk about competition dogs being manmade and you want to see the breeding or genetics come out in a dog. Competition dogs need to be trained and handled every time they are hunted as if they are in a hunt. That doesn't make them man made. That gets them to conform by the rules. Their genetics just like a top meat dog is what takes them to the top. Just down a different path that the good meat dog takes. Actually a narrower path. More structured. The breeding and genetics needs to be in the upper class for a comp dog to excel. They need a top mouth that can be heard a long ways. You can get by with a meat dog that doesn't meet this standard. They need to have some handle on them. Both when leashed at the tree and also being led. They need to be able to respond to being called in. All these things a meat dog might have but don't need to have. Because it is not costing him minus points to loose a cast. Just causing the owner some aggravation and way to many owners put up with aggravation they don't need from a dog. Just because a dog is handled and trained to perform by a set of rules. Doesn't make it man made. It makes is like a diamond that has been polished. More enjoyable to look at and more valuable. I have a dog here right now I love. He is surly not a polished coonhound but one with plenty of coon in the trees. I will probably never take him to town or sell him. So why do all this fine tuning on him and get overheated while hunting, correcting him for some minor things I let him get away with. We just have fun. His genetics as a pleasure dog or a comp dog are there. His training and polishing are lacking. Because I have gotten lazy. LOL He gets in some real thick stuff. I just call him off the tree. In the past I would never, never call a dog off the tree. I would never turn a dog out of the box without a leash on him. I would never walk to a tree and not leash my dog right away and snap them to a sapling or something close by. I would never allow a dog to go any different other than where I pointed him. Or even let one think of running down a road a hundred yards. Quality dogs are quality dogs. They are trained dogs. Meat/Pleasure hunters, just let them do some things a serious comp hunter can't allow. But the genetics to get to the top of either category have to be there. The ones you find for sale that are advertised as good meat dogs and not good comp dogs. Probably are lacking in the genetic department also.

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