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gpent24
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Treeing directly under coon

Something that happened hunting and I have a question. So there is a huge leaning oak tree in big open woods. The oak tree has a coon that is all the way out on end of tree. One dog is on the oak tree and one dog is standing directly under coon on a small sapling treeing up. The sapling only touches with one small vine not even big enough for a coon to climb up . Even if there was no vine do you minus the dog on the sapling even though itís directly under coon? This dog is technically Closer to coon than the other dog on the oak. Is this just a bad break or is it a judgement call?

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If I was judging .I would plus it.
A lot of these hard nosed guys want to minus a dog that does not have its feet on tree. NIT PICKING
Don't think sapling has any thing to do with it. That dog is winding that coon and any one with sense should know it.

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If I was judging .I would plus it.
A lot of these hard nosed guys want to minus a dog that does not have its feet on tree. NIT PICKING
Don't think sapling has any thing to do with it. That dog is winding that coon and any one with sense should know it.



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There are no rules about tree style. If it is clear he is treeing the coon right over his head then he is plussed.

He doesn't have to be on the tree he has to be treeing the coon otherwise you couldn't plus coons treed in barns and other structures that are not a tree.

But you have to be there and you have to be able to tell that yes the dog really is treeing the coon.

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I have a Redbone female and if she not on the tree but sitting back treeing then you will find the coon directly above her. I'd come unglued if some jackleg whose dog couldn't out tree mine tried to minus her... cause she's smart and has a good nose and can get under 👀. I think its because she knows how to use her nose. Coffman bred if anyone cares

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I agree this this should be +. IT is obvious the dog is treeing the coon. One of the best dogs I ever had would be sitting under the coon when you got to the tree. Rarely was she actually on the tree. I always told the judge her style before we cast the dogs for the first time. Never was it questioned or minused for not standing on the tree. It also kind of nice to have one that sits back when there are a couple of other other high pressure dogs on the tree pushing for position and things get intense.

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I agree this this should be +. IT is obvious the dog is treeing the coon. One of the best dogs I ever had would be sitting under the coon when you got to the tree. Rarely was she actually on the tree. I always told the judge her style before we cast the dogs for the first time. Never was it questioned or minused for not standing on the tree. It also kind of nice to have one that sits back when there are a couple of other other high pressure dogs on the tree pushing for position and things get intense.

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I have had this same thing happen to me. I was leading the cast with plenty of plus points and my dog was setting directly under a coon treeing on a 20 foot tall tree about 6or8 inches around. The coon couldn't have jumped up above it but was not much higher. I told the cast to vote whatever they felt and that gave me enough minus to send me out backwards. I can live with the results. I figure it was a bad break even though I truly believe she was looking right at that coon treeing.
I think I was even the judge but I don't want to win a hunt if the cast didn't feel it was right. My gyp finished to gr nt ch a few hunts later anyway I reckon.

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Larry Hall
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That situation will always just about work out to the benefit of the rest of the cast.. LOL - my expectation anyways..

The dog was either treeing under the coon or pushed off the tree and treeing close.. I would vote to plus it regardless of who it benefitted.

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under umbrarella of tree plus em up

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It is a judgement call. If the dog was under the coon without barking treed on the sapling there isnít much to judge so most casts by the rules are going to plus the dog. Being as the dog was barking treed on the sapling a lot of casts wouldnít plus it and would score the sapling as the split tree.

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Donnie Stevens
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If that vine couldn't get the coon from the sapling to where it was seen in the oak its likely gonna be scored slick on a lot of casts. Just treeing under the coon looking up works for me but wrapped around that sapling with nothing in it complicates things lol.

That tree umbrella rule gets thrown around a lot for something that doesn't exist.

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