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How do you guys break a dog from backing another dog ?

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Find one that naturally has independence it’s easier. Making a dog do somthing that is not in it’s nature is always unreliable when they are under pressure.


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I have never tried to do it anyway but to hunt them by themselves. Having said that I know of folks who cut one dog loose and let it get treed, then turn the dg loose you want to break form covering with a man standing at the tree of the dog already treed.

The guy standing there beats the crap out of the dog you cut loose 2nd, running it away from the tree and making it go tree somewhere else.

5/6 times you will ruin the dog you are trying to make independent, one of 6 times this will work and you will have an independent tree dog.

Take your pick of the two possible outcomes.

Me I prefer to buy a pup from a very independent strain, hunt it mostly by itself, and lets its NATURAL traits dictate how independent it becomes.

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What is your reasoning for wanting to break from backing?

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What is your reasoning for wanting to break from backing?

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I understand the concept. I was asking for the original posters reasoning. So he might get the answer he was looking for. There are different aspects of backing, quitting a track to back, doing nothing while waiting for a dog to tree then backing, working the same track to the tree but slower than another dog. Dogs are social animals and some don’t have the independence to be alone all the time. Trying to make a dog be alone no matter what may create more problems than can be fixed. IMO

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Let a dog get treed first then send the dog you want broke in to that dog. You want necessarily have to beat the crap out of the dog. Like tar said, they will still back when you are in a situation where you don’t need them to. I look at it like this . If you have a dog that will consistently tree it’s own coon, with or without company. Nine out of ten times they will be alone. Rewarding a pup with a coon another dog trees is a good way to get a back packer. Me personally I like a dog that gets his own an some of yours to. Providing it doesn’t quit the track it started. My point being is to get a dog that will tree it’s own coon.

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Never been a fan of having to train or try to train any hound to be independent. It's like training a dog to tree! Who wants one you had to train to tree? As has been mentioned, they likely won't be reliable anyways.

The other side of this is who wants to breed to or buy pups from a hound that had to be trained to do what should come natural to them? The naturals are the ones that are the most fun for me. If they have to be trained to do what should be genetically predisposed I don't want them. End of story.

You train hounds to handle, stop running off game, come when called, heel, sit, stay, load, what no means, etc., etc. Trailing, locating and treeing ability happens the nano second after the sperm penetrates the egg!

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Never been a fan of having to train or try to train any hound to be independent. It's like training a dog to tree! Who wants one you had to train to tree? As has been mentioned, they likely won't be reliable anyways.

The other side of this is who wants to breed to or buy pups from a hound that had to be trained to do what should come natural to them? The naturals are the ones that are the most fun for me. If they have to be trained to do what should be genetically predisposed I don't want them. End of story.

You train hounds to handle, stop running off game, come when called, heel, sit, stay, load, what no means, etc., etc. Trailing, locating and treeing ability happens the nano second after the sperm penetrates the egg!

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I think if they eat your dog food train them anyway you want. Problem I have is out of the 10 so claimed naturally independent dogs 7 or 8 was man made. Just be honest about what your packing and how it came to be that way.

Already enough none hunters telling us when, where and how to hunt with out us telling each other what to hunt.

To answer your question. Hunt dog alone majority of time. NEVER knock a coon out to your dog with another dog no matter what. If he covers go to tree catch him and send him on right away without giving him any attention negative or positive. If there is any natural independence in the dog this is best chance of bringing it out without any major set backs. Just takes time and consistency.

You decide break dog with whooping or shocking you stand lot higher risk of ruining your dog. Takes a pretty good houndsman to break a dog that naturally wants to pack without causing problem.

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