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Dave I have always hunted a dog alone to gain its confidence in itself and make it independent of others however to completely finish a dog I like to hunt it with others, dogs that won't hunt, dogs that hunt close and aggressive dogs to get it acustomed to different situations and see what it will do under these conditions. Never liked suprises on a hunt. Always wanted to know how my dog would respond to these situations and what steps needed taking.

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Our dogs have earned titles in competition with other dogs, they just get the finishing touches put on, hunting by themselves. Hunting is our passion and we want the best we can get, it works for us. Dave

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Tim, you know that I have a real liking for your bloodline if dogs. I have said so in the past, I find this line of dogs to be very intelligent , natural coon treeing dogs, I have witnessed grand pups out of Hardwood Bean tree their own coon at 8 months old in January on the north of clinch mountain. No easy feat for a dog at any age, much less 8 months old. Same pups would hunt 1/2 mile by their self, never bark lost and were smart as they get. My hunting buddy age 81 has trained many dogs and he thinks these Bean dogs are the cream of the crop. Most folks will never own or see Coondogs of this ability in my opinion. Dave

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Tim, yes 1 of the dogs we are hunting is a grandpup to Bean, he is all COONDOG in company or by himself, Mr, Lambert, you will find out quickly how good they really are, when you hunt them by themselves. Dave

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A true test is hunting in the winter months treeing coons with a COONDOG, competition hunts prove nothing if they can't do it by themselves in the cold winter months. You just keep on thinking your way I know better! Put your top competition dog in these mountains in Januarym Feb and see how good they are by themselves. Not everyone lives in a coon zoo area, come on down and see what you got, we will turn loose as many times as you can stand. Lol. Dave

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Dave I want to know if you always hunt your dog by itself how do you know how it reacts to different situations? If another dog runs trash, will your dog cover it? Is your dog agressive on tree or can it stand fang pressure? Is your dog fast or slow on tracks and quick or slow on locating? I'm just saying if you don't hunt with other dogs you must have a crystal ball to know the answers.

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A true test is hunting in the winter months treeing coons with a COONDOG, competition hunts prove nothing if they can't do it by themselves in the cold winter months. You just keep on thinking your way I know better..... Not everyone lives in a coon zoo area....Lol. Dave

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Oh my goodness, don't they have competition hunts in the cold winter months?
Do you really think that competition hunts prove nothing?
Why don't you go up to Jim's in the cold winter months and turn your dog loose and see how he does?
Why does everyone think that there hunting is the true test of a "Real Coondog" ? A real Coondog is balanced and will tree coons in thick or thin, flat or steep, hot or cold, by itself or with others.
Dave you have been hanging around with Tarbaby too long.

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A true test is hunting in the winter months treeing coons with a COONDOG, competition hunts prove nothing if they can't do it by themselves in the cold winter months. You just keep on thinking your way I know better! Put your top competition dog in these mountains in Januarym Feb and see how good they are by themselves. Not everyone lives in a coon zoo area, come on down and see what you got, we will turn loose as many times as you can stand. Lol. Dave

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If hunting a dog alone is the true test then htx is the most important title.
If competition hunts was the true test then hunt titles would be the most important title.
I have been thinking for a long while now why do we hunt dogs together? I think someone has answered that question for me and that would be because there wouldn't be enough judges and guides if we didn't. I feel for many people it truly is not about the dog but about there own skills as a handler.
Maybe ithere should be a handler title like master handler?

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We definitely hunt our dogs against competition, they have finished their Champion degrees, then we usually hunt them solo to get the type of dogs we like to hunt. It's personal preference to hunt dogs solo, to each his own. Dave

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I have made more dogs Champions hunting in the Winter months than hunting in summer months. I would not own a dog that could not tree coons in the winter, as that is my standard measuring stick. As far as hunting with Jim, I have made several trips to Indiana and ALWAYS treed a bunch of coons, weather did not matter. A truer test would be for Jim to bring his 13 month old pup down here and see how good it is hunting by itself, as he maintains that hunting a dog by itself is for pups. I would wager big money that he would change his mind quickly. Dave

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I have made more dogs Champions hunting in the Winter months than hunting in summer months...... Dave

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Why is that?

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With all due respect, you live in a different environment, I have hunted your country many times and love the hunting up there. Hunting these mountains is much more difficult and coons are thin. You better have a COONDOG if you hunt this country, especially in the winter months. I will pay your expenses if you want to bring your 13 month old pup down here and show me how good it is hunting by itself, let me know if interested and I will prepay your expenses just to let you know that I am serious [ gas, motel and license ]. You can't beat a deal like that, and you can bring the best you have and we will hunt it as well, just in case your pup does not perform. Dave

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Why? I am not a summer hunter, to me coon hunting is a fall and winter sport. I love hunting when it's cool or cold, and I am to busy in the spring and summer months with the show horses. Dave

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With all due respect, you live in a different environment, I have hunted your country many times and love the hunting up there. Hunting these mountains is much more difficult and coons are thin. You better have a COONDOG if you hunt this country, especially in the winter months. I will pay your expenses if you want to bring your 13 month old pup down here and show me how good it is hunting by itself, let me know if interested and I will prepay your expenses just to let you know that I am serious [ gas, motel and license ]. You can't beat a deal like that, and you can bring the best you have and we will hunt it as well, just in case your pup does not perform. Dave

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Jim that ground your talking about me and Curtis ( sleepy head ) was born in the same spot. Saint Elisabeth hospital in layfayete Indiana for me. It's where I heard my first hound treed of in a distance. Holds a special place to me. I just hope one day I can go back to the farm in battle ground and cut them loose one more time.



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I was not trying to prove anything, especially about my hunting ground. You were the one that made the statement that hunting dogs by themselves was for pups and stating how good your 13 month old pup was by itself. I never said or indicated how good my dogs were, I merely said the way I check a dog is hunting the dog by themself. You took it on yourself to belittle my standard by saying that was for pups. Childish maybe on both our sides, you know how us mountain men can be, by the way I have hunted all over eastern Kentucky. You are hunting tough ground there just like east Tn and southwest Va. No comparing these areas to Indiana ground or coon population. Dave

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I was not trying to prove anything, especially about my hunting ground. You were the one that made the statement that hunting dogs by themselves was for pups and stating how good your 13 month old pup was by itself. I never said or indicated how good my dogs were, I merely said the way I check a dog is hunting the dog by themself. You took it on yourself to belittle my standard by saying that was for pups. Childish maybe on both our sides, you know how us mountain men can be, by the way I have hunted all over eastern Kentucky. You are hunting tough ground there just like east Tn and southwest Va. No comparing these areas to Indiana ground or coon population. Dave

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Thanks, I am 100% and proud of it. I respect everyone's opinion, I don't always agree with them, but I respect their right to voice their opinions. I have a problem when someone thinks their opinion is right and everyone else is wrong. We are all different what works for one might not work for another. Dave

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A true test is hunting in the winter months treeing coons with a COONDOG, competition hunts prove nothing if they can't do it by themselves in the cold winter months. You just keep on thinking your way I know better! Put your top competition dog in these mountains in Januarym Feb and see how good they are by themselves. Not everyone lives in a coon zoo area, come on down and see what you got, we will turn loose as many times as you can stand. Lol. Dave

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A TRUE TEST is having a coon treer while hunting one with a bunch of junk running, babbling, tree monsters. When you find one that consistently trees coon no matter what the others are doing then you have something. I've seen a BUNCH that looked like a million alone and crap in company.

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I agree with both if you and by the time we hunt our dogs by themselves, they have passed the test of hunting with those types of dogs. However they must be just as good by themselves or I don't want them period. I have seen a lot of dogs that looked good hunting with other dogs that were worthless hunting by themselves. Bottom line is what they can do by themselves and with other dogs, not just one or the other. Our choice of hunting 1 dog at a time after they are trained is purely personal, it may not be for everyone. Dave

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When purely pleasure hunting, there isn't a best way. There is only what you get pleasure from. What gets me is the guys that think their way is the best way.

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I see where PKC had a big money hunt in South Carolina that drew 67 entries last night. UKC had a trophy hunt on the same night and only an hour's drive away. The UKC trophy hunt had 200 entries. What is up with that?

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Thats simple, grand American just by prestige should outdraw any hunt that weekend. Your comparison doesn't mean anything.

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