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From what I've noticed in my few short years chasing these dogs is, that it seems trash running dogs seem to have more drive and hunt faster than the naturally straight dogs. Might just be the ones I've seen. What's your opinions on it?

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Trashy dogs lack brains....jmo

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X2. Trash running is not going to earn them a long stay here. It stops fast or they move on. I am to old to be walking around in the woods to a dog that trashes regular.

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Is there really a naturally straight or naturally trashy bloodline or is it the circumstance and the hunters that train them? I'm not being sarcastic I have been forunate to have had one deer chase in last 20 years and that was a young pup who chased for 20 yards. JMO

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Is there really a naturally straight or naturally trashy bloodline or is it the circumstance and the hunters that train them? I'm not being sarcastic I have been forunate to have had one deer chase in last 20 years and that was a young pup who chased for 20 yards. JMO

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I love a young dog that has the drive to run anything that lays a track that also has enough brains that I can control it.

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Tim they wouldn't enjoy my dogs when they are young when those deer go to rutting its on like donkey kong and that ole buck ain't got time to circle but most usually they run a coon the same way. I can't stand walk and bawl but I guess if your only hunting in 10 acres you don't need a track dog lol.



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Dogs that start out 4-5-6 month old running anything that will run from them make twice the dogs that are naturally straight , naturally straight dogs might tree coon 3-4-5 mph but I have yet to see a naturally straight pup have what I'm looking for , and that that 8-11 mph run to catch huslte all the time alone are co , those Imo make your special pups that I want to keep I have two hear rite now off box x ice cross they ran there first deer last week at 13 weeks old by scent , not bad Imo , her females pretty much break themselves once a coon are two gets in there mouth now males another story but you will get a once in a lifetime hound if your hunter enough to hang with the males until they settle down , I'm not lookin for a dog that will just tree a coon , I look for that one that pulls away from any me too ers that want to tag along are bust in there 200 yards are 2 miles quick fast and in a hurry , and get the job done every snap of the lead , with no babbling of course

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I’ll take a gamey pup that wants to run anything that puts a track on the ground everytime

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Woooow ...guess I'm blessed with naturally straight dogs ...that average 8-11 mph and 4-6 minutes on their coons hunting state ground that's 2000+ acres....hey to each his/her own .
A trashy dog up here will prolly keep u out all nite stareing at your Garmin for the closest road to bushwack it ! Lol

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I'll pass on a pup that wants to run anything that lays a track.. I prefer mine to just run coon, not that that is all they ever run. But I don't want one setting the woods on fire every track it comes across.

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Woooow ...guess I'm blessed with naturally straight dogs ...that average 8-11 mph and 4-6 minutes on their coons hunting state ground that's 2000+ acres....hey to each his/her own .
A trashy dog up here will prolly keep u out all nite stareing at your Garmin for the closest road to bushwack it ! Lol

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I love a young dog that has the drive to run anything that lays a track that also has enough brains that I can control it.

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I don’t mind one that’ll bump some fast game as a youngster.... I want them trying to do something even if it is wrong.

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Extra trashy will open there mouth and get ya minus points in a hunt plenty often. I also feel running trash is a big waste of training time. But just like anything else some times it helps a dog win hunts as well. Liking a trashy dog is just excepting 2nd best.

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Straight has more to do with exposure than it does genetics. As far as motor I've seen a lot of lazy dogs that like to run a deer

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Straight has more to do with exposure than it does genetics. As far as motor I've seen a lot of lazy dogs that like to run a deer

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Tar you have been coon hunting for years and do you really think running a deer fast is a track dog. Surely that isn't how you figure out what a track dog is?

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It's a matter of personal preference I guess. I don't put them on deer but when they are young most dogs that try to push a track when deer are in rut will run one I can and will stop them anytime I want. Now I like a running dog that will tree I like a dog that is such a superior track dog that there is no way dogs can mee too on them and that are so dominant that over the course of the hunt pieces start falling off the other dogs because they know they are being dominated. Down here without an exceptional track dog you go to a lot of empty trees I am to old and cranky to do that.



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I've had some of the most trashy dogs that probably ever drew a breath. I don't like trashy, period! There are dogs out there that prefer treeing game over running fast game and still can maneuver plenty fast enough to cover a lot of ground. One of the straightest dogs I ever followed was an absolute man killer! That dog could and would travel some serious territory. He would end up with a coon somewhere. I am hunting a little female now that is extremely energetic and can cover some ground quick. She has fooled with a few possums and squirrels and ran what I thought may have been a bobcat but other than that when she opens it's a coon. We are loaded down with deer and coyotes around here so there's no lack of fast game. It don't take much of a dog to run a deer, heck I can smell em quite a ways off on a rainy night if the wind is right. If you want a trashy, or gamey hound to make into a coondog, that ok but that's just one step I can do without. I'm up in age now and don't have a lot of time or the patients to fool with the trash burners but to each their own.

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Well I will tell you that 98% of the winningest competition dogs ever born were trashy and wild. It’s been my experience that running dogs that will tree are harder to train but make a much more accurate dog in the end.

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I sure like a young and trashy pup...pup is just showing me what it will do one day in the near future...no worries if it will start one day...

Trashy pups are easy enough to break...just show them the woods is a fun place and show them what game is acceptable...once they know those two things then I start breaking them off of off game...it doesn’t take long...and the best part is that these type of dogs don’t have bad nights...

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I was probly 21yrs old Pete lavon ( johnsons Danny boy , buffalo river thunder ) told me sony kid the day that you quit getting mad and embarrassed when your dog messes up and study on how to fix it you will train top hounds and it's easier to take it out than put it in.



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That was good advice then and still is today. You can not put something in a dog, but you sure can take things out of a dog. I have yet to see any trainer teach a dog to track, hunt or tree, they may think they did. You can stop about anything a dog does, but you can not put what's not there in any dog. If one could do these things, he could be rich in no time at all. Dave

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