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If I understand, seeing that you don't need to know the breeding of the sire or dam, these pups don't have to be out of hound parents??

Example: you could take a Running Walker that trees and breed it to a Pointer and reg them as X-Breed.

Because I would guess there can't be a breed standard as long as they tree game, and if you'er going to comp hunt the only thing is they would have to meet the Nite Hunt Rules??

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From what I understand, that would be the case. Although, I have a dog I reg. XBRED that I had to send in three pics with the registration. One front and both sides.
He is half Black & Tan and half English. Turned out SOLID red. Looks like full blood Redbone , but very houndy.

So I guess they have to have hound features. Not sure who makes that call.........

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wrong, from what i understand it has to be from a coonhound x coonhound cross.

you can cross b&t, walker, english, plott, redbone,and leopard hound any way you want and register them Xbreed.

No fox hound, blood hound, pointer, ect.

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wrong, from what i understand it has to be from a coonhound x coonhound cross.

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Have to "look houndy"---

Didn't think "looks" made a coondog!

I am getting confused on all this?

So, to BE SURE that you have a TRUE X bred coonhound, Both parents would have to be PR Register in their own breed. Because if they are not, well you could be bring in say a Dob into the Black and Tan world.

If this was the case, parents being PR bred, then on X Bred "hounds" they could but the % of each breed as they do in the Running Hounds. Example: Treeing Walker 1/2 Black and Tan 1/2. Or Treeing Walker 1/4 Black and Tan 1/4 Redone 1/2?

From what I've been reading not many, if any, plan to do this long enough to bring it back into their breeding program. And if you're a hunter that doesn't care about papers you probably already have been doing this for a long time??
An example that come to me is a Government Hunter in Utah by the name of Phil Taylor. Got to meet him at a Breed Hunt in Wi years ago, he was hunting some of the best big game Redbones that where of the purest of blood. He kept outstanding records and could go back on his hounds as far as you would like, he bred his best to his best. But he didn't Register many. Here's the problem I see---Today I would get a pup from Phil, it would have to be registered X Breed, years ago it could have been single registered. Now, if you're a breeder and lets use Max Hunter, Roy Blakesley or Norman Lufcy, guys who knew what SINGLE REGISTERED really was suppose to be, they could bring in a hound and improve their line. Oh in case you gun ho breeders that have a mix bred "wonder" dog, there was always a cast to hunt them in---it was called GRADE!

So if pup/dog only has to look houndy and doesn't have to tree a coon, at least they did to get single Registered, you are really breeding for looks and isn't that what you true hunters been complaining about for years??? You darn SHOW people are going to wreck this sport😂😂😂

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Have to "look houndy"---

Didn't think "looks" made a coondog!

I am getting confused on all this?

So, to BE SURE that you have a TRUE X bred coonhound, Both parents would have to be PR Register in their own breed. Because if they are not, well you could be bring in say a Dob into the Black and Tan world.

If this was the case, parents being PR bred, then on X Bred "hounds" they could but the % of each breed as they do in the Running Hounds. Example: Treeing Walker 1/2 Black and Tan 1/2. Or Treeing Walker 1/4 Black and Tan 1/4 Redone 1/2?

From what I've been reading not many, if any, plan to do this long enough to bring it back into their breeding program. And if you're a hunter that doesn't care about papers you probably already have been doing this for a long time??
An example that come to me is a Government Hunter in Utah by the name of Phil Taylor. Got to meet him at a Breed Hunt in Wi years ago, he was hunting some of the best big game Redbones that where of the purest of blood. He kept outstanding records and could go back on his hounds as far as you would like, he bred his best to his best. But he didn't Register many. Here's the problem I see---Today I would get a pup from Phil, it would have to be registered X Breed, years ago it could have been single registered. Now, if you're a breeder and lets use Max Hunter, Roy Blakesley or Norman Lufcy, guys who knew what SINGLE REGISTERED really was suppose to be, they could bring in a hound and improve their line. Oh in case you gun ho breeders that have a mix bred "wonder" dog, there was always a cast to hunt them in---it was called GRADE!

So if pup/dog only has to look houndy and doesn't have to tree a coon, at least they did to get single Registered, you are really breeding for looks and isn't that what you true hunters been complaining about for years??? You darn SHOW people are going to wreck this sport😂😂😂

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i have a one year old x-bred . i made the cross of a english male to a walker female . why? because owning the sire and dam and following them both in the woods and both having traits that i demand in a dog i was curios what the pups would be like . only 2 have had a chance in the woods to show the results of this mating . all the pups were gave away at 8 weeks old . i kept the male that was the last one left after everyone had there choice .i like my young dog as good as anything ive had in years . the other pup being hunted went to a 63 year old man who says he is the best young dog he has had in his life .if the red bone male suits you breed to him . why care what papers say as far as breed goes if you get what you are looking for ?if you win the world hunt with one of the pups bet the redbone ass. would cry to let it back in before 3 generations .lol. hard time speck would now days be considered a x-bred . look at the impact he had on the english breed years ago .i jumped off the all grand band wagon and big winners after wasting time on 500 $ pups not worth a nickle .lol from now on ill just throw some mud on the wall and see if it sticks ,lol

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