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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness, I thought that was exactly what happened at the World Finals. Guide took a tree call from Sambo's handler when Judge was not there and allowed him to handle his dog. It was questioned and MOH allowed it to stand. Am I wrong?

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Originally posted by Triple K Kennel
I would think the Judges call will stand, and you can't over rule the Judge but only can question it ?
Let's hear some answers on this.....
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Originally posted by joey
Yes they are over ruled all the time by a majority of the cast. The question that was presented on the time about the zones was not about a cast member it was a non hunting guide.

Everyone needs to realize that what you here on facebook and the message boards are probably missing a lot of information. If this was a simple question of a guide saying there was no time left none of us would have ever even heard about it.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness, I thought that was exactly what happened at the World Finals. Guide took a tree call from Sambo's handler when Judge was not there and allowed him to handle his dog. It was questioned and MOH allowed it to stand. Am I wrong?

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Rock, my comments were generic and not a true fit for ALL hunts. My bad! I still find it disturbing to see people post comments that the MOH is seldom correct and implying that the judges were crooked or incompetent. Why would anyone ever hunt in any hunt if they truly believed such nonsense. My question to those posting such remarks is How did your dog/s get their titles? Do you honestly think that you were super lucky to get judges and MOH's that never made a mistake in any of the hunts you won? Why do you not complain about the judges/ MOH's when you win a hunt? Why is it that the only ones complaining are the ones that lost? I believe most of us already know the answers. Dave

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Originally posted by blairforce1
This is exactly why I dont understand why this is still an issue.

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There are 2 issues. The one about the tree call came on a cast at the Finals. It was ruled on and allowed to stand by the MOH.

The "situation" that happened at the Zone hunt is the one that is under investigation. It may or may not involve the timekeeping depending on who you talk to. There are several "stories" and that is what UKC is investigating. I am sure that they will let everyone know what they decide to do after they have heard everything. But I don't know if they will let us know what they found out or why they made their decision. I doubt that they will make all of the testimony public.

Now back to my questions...no MOH's want to rule on whether a Judge can delegate authority to another person. Or whether a Judges timekeeping can be questioned and overruled? Where is Jim?

Maybe this is a topic for the next Adviser Column.....

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Originally posted by Bruce m. Conkey
Guys we have created a monster. Here is whats happening at the hunts. We have our 4-20 dogs hunts that the only benefit is trying to make night champion or grand night out of dogs that are not of the best caliber. Most of the times these hunts are closer to 10 dogs than 20. You have judges trying to scratch handlers for the slightest mistake they make when it means nothing to the outcome of the hunt but they can apply some rule to it so it happens. Then we come on here and bash the one or two guys that know the rules when they try to help. They are JiM, Joey and Rip. Couple others or better good also.

Now we have pressured UKC into doing play by plays and posting up to the minute information of the larger hunts. Yes other kennel clubs do it. But they have a panel in the woods and there are a few judges or a guide that is sent with handlers on split trees. Handing split trees in major hunts is done completely different than in a 4 dog hunt as far as who goes where.

Allen is only ONE MAN and he does an outstanding job for UKC with yesterdays rules.

Like I said in an earlier post. Guys that hunt major hunts have melted the rules together and it works fine until we want to split hairs. Quit splitting hairs and get a coondog.

This board is so far from the reality of what goes on in a hunt and that its painful to see.

PKC can put 300 dogs a night in the woods early and the cast winners late for 4 nights. Then trim that down on the weekend and have very few problems. They put the cast breakdown and the scores of each cast early and winners late. If you want to complain go over there and they will send you packing.

Not comparing the two but UKC does the best it can. I think we should give them a break and some respect. A lot of new hunters cut their teeth on UKC hunts every year. We all talk about how the youth is important. Lets show it and support what UKC does without picking everything apart.

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