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Mr Conkey, are you saying that a dog can be "independent to a fault"? You are right in what you say. You have to keep breeding and training until you get "too much" and then back off. But you don't know what "too much" is until you get there. Look at what happened with walker dogs and treeing. Every hunter is different. We all have our own "too much".
Everyone knows that too much of a good thing is a bad thing.

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Maybe he THOUGHT he was going to far so he circled around THOUGHT what he was doing and found one a little closer. What U think

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Mr Meyer, it sounds like you might be overthinking this.
My dog doesn't climb out of his kennel. Does that mean that he is too dumb to think for himself?

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There U go asking rational questions about a subjects that just make me say HUMMMMM. Do people honestly believe that a dog can think for himself, have rational thoughts. if so it may be impossible to EVER train it to do something it thought was to hard to accomplish.
To my friend joey's comment I would say if that dog never watch U open the gate he would never be able tho THINK the situation out. A DOG BEING ABLE TO MAKE RATIONAL DECISIONS TO ME OS A SCARY THOUGHT.
BUT what do i know I just THOUGHT this reply up.

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Mr Meyer, it sounds like you might be overthinking this.
My dog doesn't climb out of his kennel. Does that mean that he is too dumb to think for himself?

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Maybe he THINKS of all the trouble he will be in if he does, WHO KNOWS OR CARES. BUT there is one thing ALL of the people who's classes I have been a part of ALL agree on is this A DOG IS A CREATURE OF HABIT and he is trained by REPETITION so go figure I guess if he THINKS of a situation over and over then he trains himself how bout that ? So yawl are correct a dog can think.

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Lot of good answers and comments here.

First of all and something that I think we miss is.
Anything a dog does can be a FAULT. Even the things we want them to do, if they consistently take it to an extreme. I want mine to hunt deep if necessary. But I don't want it doing it in a straight line and going by coon to just get away. That is a fault to me.

Thats what we overlook when we get hashing out hard hunting or deep hunting dogs. Most want one to hunt and have the drive to keep hunting. But, just like the dog that trees to many slick trees. We can breed the dog that hunts to far. Many reasons for this and they are faults. Perhaps that dog doesn't have the ability to smell or excitement level to run the tracks it is going by.

I just hate it when people see a deep hunting dog that gets deep if it NEEDS to and compares it to a deep hunting dog that does it because it is a FAULT in his breeding. There is a difference.

Three drops off trees in the same area a couple nights ago. One coon within 100 yards, second coon probably 100 yards from that but the dog probably traveled 400 or 500 yards on the track. But from that tree and the dog had to hunt a little further to find one. Made a couple semi circles, crossed a couple dirt roads and came treed perhaps 3/4 miles away. If he hadn't found the last coon he might have been 1.5 miles away but the Garmin showed he was looking in the right spots for a coon so I can't fault him it he had to go some distance to get the job done.

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I can assure you if I could own Shot through the World I,d shoot what I pack. Hands down the best dog I’ve ever walked behind and unless you have you can’t comprehend just how fast he trees coon. I will assure you he’s the best in the country right now. He’s good enough to beat the babbling idiots with a last strike what’s that say about getting deep and alone.

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Maybe he is out taking care of his new dog named, Global Warming.

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If you don't like deep OR alone just hunt dogs that dont' hunt big and like to party... It's your choice feed what YOU like.

I LIKE dogs that mind their own business. Unless I can cover them with a blanket on a track they better be by themselves. I like dogs that will hunt out a mile or so when necessary, then they can come back (usually they don't)that style isn't for everyone.

I have 2yr old, born in my kennel. Last week at during another KC hunt he treed a coon in 1:40secs from being cast. Later in the hunt in treed another coon .92 away. He doesn't break his neck to get away from other dogs, he just decides which direction he's going and doesn't pay attention to anything else.

And for all those that say you have to shock em to make loaners out of them think again! From the time he was a baby he wouldn't even tree with his momma. Heck I have his littermate sister here as well she's the same way. Natural loaners are VERY REAL you just need to know where to go get your stock.

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If their man made loners. Most will end up running edges. To much pressure they start running around the woods. Now many will disagree. But if you keep breeding to man made edge runners, you will start raising edge runners. That is a huge fault to me.

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Ever seen a dog figure something out? Like how to open their pen? That should answer your question.

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I think that coon hunters contribute more to global warming (their own methane gas) than the dogs in any cast...

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Mr Meyer, it sounds like you might be overthinking this.
My dog doesn't climb out of his kennel. Does that mean that he is too dumb to think for himself?

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Mr Meyer, it sounds like you might be overthinking this.
My dog doesn't climb out of his kennel. Does that mean that he is too dumb to think for himself?

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Mr Kry, you may be right. I think that my dog is smarter than I am. All he has to do is sit out there in the yard and wait on his food. I have to work to earn the money to pay for it, drive to the dog food store to get it and then carry it out to him every day. I think that he has me trained.

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